How many different kinds of drugs do you take?

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  1. earshurt

    earshurt New Member

    I think there is a disposition to die after so many years. Since we have to die of something, it seems reasonable that our genes have a good bit to do with which bit of equipment is going to wear out first. That's what genetic disposition means to me.

    June you always make good points and fundamentally I agree. June you do me a great service. What I type and how people take it are two different stories. Just because "i believe" I typed something in a manner that readers will understand me does not make me correct. Words in black and white carry no intonation and flavor, and always leave out good points.

    earshurt, I won't let myself believe that everything is toxins, toxins, toxins with you because I don't really think you believe it. I mean you're sincere in what you write but my thought is not going to be that you're that guy who's hung up on toxins and how bad they are for you as I won't read the important information you put out.

    Thank you. You are correct in what you believe I really mean. This is not necessarily "all" about toxins. In any attempt to understand what is happening in a system, such as a body, control factors are important. If many things can cause the same symptoms and diseases it becomes a process of elimination to understand what is the "root" cause. In our "modern" lifestyle as John so elequently put it, intake of bad things creates an atmosphere that makes it incredibly difficult to "isolate" the true cause of illness. By eliminating as much as possible we get a cleaner system free of some of the confusion. This allows us to make better "guesses" as to what may be happening. When there a lot of noise (conflicting signals) in a system it is terribly difficult to determine which noises cause the most harm.


    I also am not going to believe that it doesn't matter what you do, genetics is the only thing that matters though I do believe it plays a strong part. The important thing to believe, for me is that we should weigh the outcome of how we treat our bodies while we do live that life which predisposes the inevitable.

    Ditto. This code from birth determines what will happen to us. We were born with it and we have to deal with that deck of cards. Some codes better than others but most sufficient to live a long healthy life for the most part. So the only variable in the equation is "what happens to this code" after it is written for us which is largely dictated by what we do to it. Spontaneous illness for no reason does not make a whole lot of sense considering that the vast majority of humans can live a long prosperous life as long as they don't tamper with this code which is mostly, but not certainly, correct enough for us to be healthy. Modern diseases, such as many neurodegenerative diseases like alzheimers, autoimmune dysfunction, etc...are not usually written into the code because the forces of nature try to select the best code possible for organisms to survive. Genetic codes compete with each other for survival. Staph germs would love to feed on us and eat us up but nature provided defense unless our code becomes damaged or was written wrongly in the beginning. Candida cleans up the mess when we die, ashes to ashes dust to dust, along with other organisms, but nature provided us a defense against this as long as we are living (usually) unless the code is tampered with and we lose our ability to ward off the clean up patrol too early. If we are not "permanently" damaged, by taking away the code tampering, we can recover. If we are permanently damaged to the point that it cannot be repaired then we must used dugs or larger amounts of natural substances to compensate. When I say "nature" I really mean science, in a way.

    The important thing I want to get to is the medication we accept from our Doctors for what ails us. As well as the self medication we take. Just how much do we trust that the side effects have been looked at with each med and that we are not be heaped with sideshows that encourage our bodies to break down more, breeding more medications.

    Senior Safety Researcher at the FDA says only 5% of their concern is for our safety when considering what is safe for us to do.That makes the other 95% of the considerations up to us. The power of group think, when harnassed for the same purpose, is as powerful as a locomotive. There are very few things as powerful as a thought. Skyscrapers started as one man's thoughts. How cool is that? Way cool... :eek: That is what makes this forum solid gold worth its weight in what ever you want to measure it by. A group, with the same goal, can move an entire mountain when focused on common causes.


    So, if it tastes bad, I'm probably not going to eat it.

    Welcome to the club baby doll. ;D The things in processed foods taste oohhhhh so good don't they? My nephew hates vegetables and won't eat it if it is not fast foods. And as a matter of fact he suffers from migraines, lays in bed all day and can barely function, has acute depression and anxiety, and other health problems. He is only 18 years old. This does not "run" genetically speaking in our family. Could he be the exception to the genetic rule? Perhaps. But to me it makes more sense to examine the trashy fuel he consumes first. They had that boy on so many meds it was pathetic. Med for a med for a med. I have gone a long way toward cleaning him up and he feels better but habits die hard.


    So what does this have to do with drugs? Our foods are full of drugs. But I am dragging this thread off topic and it is now in jeopardy of losing focus because we are not conditioned to see chemicals in food as drugs. This was a thread to try to determine which "pharma" drugs may be causing problems that need even another med or be causing problems. I'll start another thread about food because this is not necessarily the place for this discussion but when we talk drugs my mind goes wayyyyy beyond pharma. Chemicals are everywhere but this thread was specific to "pharma" and I am dragging it off into the ditch.
  2. Imnoscientist

    Imnoscientist New Member

    For those on a schedule here's the summary:

    1) We're all going to die
    2) Genetics has a role to play in your general health and cause of death (other than fatal accidents or extreme old age)
    3) Eat lots of crunchy colourful food and less cake
    4) Exercise
    5) Don't smoke at all and don't drink too much booze
    6) Be nice to your mother.
  3. Wino

    Wino Resident Honey Badger

    5 out of 6 ain't bad.
  4. sirlanc

    sirlanc New Member

    Just catching up on my modern philosophy and your comment reminded me of a 1 min clip I just viewed and had to share. This uplifting clip is from one of our greatest minds, in his words from "I smoke a pipe all day long when i am not eating or sleeping" Bertrand Russell speaks of his vice, tobacco, in an interview in old age, and explains how the fact that he smoked once saved his life.

    Bertrand Russell died aged 98
  5. earshurt

    earshurt New Member

    I like that :)

    Wino that was priceless. Comic relief is a necessary function and healing modality. Spoken like the true Wino that you are bud. Does your wife subscribe to that song "I'm gonna hire a Wino to decorate our home?" Oh wait, you are the decorator, silly me. ;D
    Sirlanc, my man. ;) Your mind be so broad and deep. Touche. Bertrand Russell scholars are few and far between. Touche.

    Tobacco, in its pure form, as the Indians did it, is not the abomination that modern tobacco is that is laced with poisons. And when burned, versus other methods of use, is much different. Rustic tobacco actually has some beneficial properties if handled properly.

    As an adjunct to that, for sort of a quick Bertrand fix without having to go through the rigor of hours of reading, a person could listen to Aldous Huxley's speech that he gave at Berkeley University. If you want your "third eye" opened go listen this. This explains a ton about why we are all here in this forum in the first place. Or maybe the "third" place, but that would take some explanation on my part and i'm not willing to go there just now.

    Aldous Huxley, famed author, extroidanary visionary, gave this speech.Some of the most influential thinkers and power brokers on this little blue marble, that we call earth, that hurtles through space, and call home, were present to hear his thoughts. I stumbled on this speech because I was trading the stock market. The market taught me to think backwards without being afraid. Markets are about trends, and they run in sync with the golden mean ratio, which divines us critters and is the design we are built on. This speech goes a long way to helping people learn to think backwards, see trends, see the future, for what it is, instead of what we want it to be. Thinking backwards is one of the most informative things I ever learned. man.

    I'm done on this one because i'll drag this thread to places so far away that it will never get back. But I could not resist this one. But i'll start a thread on the golden mean ratio and etc....sometime. Fascinating. It will be a good fascinating diversion and entertaining undertaking for all involved.

    This is from the University of Berkeley archive. Highly recommended for those that want a little "different" take on the human condition.

    Lots of entries. If you want a quick way to find it look for Huxley, Aldous or The Ultimate Revolution. You can use the "find" command in the browser and put in "revolution" and it will rocket you to the speech. Cannot recommend it enough. Gonna listen to it again right now myself because I always learn something more from it even though I have heard it many times. A classic.

    2 entries. First is the speech. Second is questions and answers.
  6. earshurt

    earshurt New Member

    quote hollymm

    "The important thing I want to get to is the medication we accept from our Doctors for what ails us. As well as the self medication we take. Just how much do we trust that the side effects have been looked at with each med and that we are not be heaped with sideshows that encourage our bodies to break down more, breeding more medications."
    Holly is trying to bring this thread back to focus, and I am ripping this thread to shreads. Let me shut the hell up.
  7. June-

    June- New Member

    I see that all the time in friends and relatives. The drug causes side effects for which there is also a medication. Sometimes the medications are prescription and sometimes they are otc. Sometimes they are called drugs and sometimes they are called supplements. But one begets another and on and on sometimes until the side effects are greater than the thing that started it all.

    I think less is more with all these things and it is important to pinpoint what is needed and take just that for just as long as necessary. The goal for me is always to work my way back to none as soon as possible.
  8. Imnoscientist

    Imnoscientist New Member

    Bertrand Russel, inveterate pipe smoker lived to be 98?? Don't bogart that pipe Bertie - hand it over this way! The Queen mother lived to over 100 and was sozzled on gin most of her waking hours. I think there's something in this for all of us.
  9. AmandaJ

    AmandaJ New Member

    as ever i am late lol
    my list varies but this is mine now

    seretide- steroid inhaler - asthma
    bricanyl- asthma
    prednisolone 40mg (only for 8 days) asthma
    betahistine- menieres
    cyclizine 50mg -vertigo
    levothyroxine-hashimotos thyroiditis
    gabapentin- peritheral neuropathy
    co-codamol- as needed for tietze syndrome and costochondritis
    vit b12 - pernicious anemia
    and soooo funnily for me movicol peadiatric- hmmm kid dose as i possiblt have celiac too so when no pain killers no movicol but additionally bugger the name has gone but it's the opposite effect to movicol
    and amytriptaline for depression and to help me sleep........need a hammer for that haha

    i think a lot of the drugs dont do a lot of good to our bodies i did come off the thyroid pills for 6 months to see what effects there would be..yes naughty but my thyroid check was pretty much the same without the drug.......decided to be good and do as doc says for a bit but i do not want to be on medication.........but on the other hand i do not want to be in severe pain all day....

    i didnt read all the thread because would you believe the pills cause lack of concentration at times sheeesh
  10. ConfusedNAnnoyed

    ConfusedNAnnoyed New Member

    I don't take drugs I rely on vitamins and minerals to keep me healthy, so far they have been helping me get Meniere's under control and I have not been sick even when everyone around me is. I haven't been sick in over 2+ years, I have taken antivirals but no longer do so.
  11. Coach M

    Coach M New Member

    When I am not "in illness" like I am right now, I take dyazide and that's it, just as a precaution. When I'm in illness I take valium (which is miserable because I have to go through a withdrawal period afterwards) and lately have taken meclizine. In the past I hated meclizine (and still do) but it has helped me alot because I have alot more dizziness than actual vertigo right now.

    Ideally, it would be better to take nothing in my opinion. For most of us, there are points in time where we have to take drugs. But I doubt most of us want to.
  12. hollymm

    hollymm Me, 'in' a tree.

    INS - as usual, you crack me up :D

    I don't mind this topic being off course for a while. It's interesting to follow a side show and see where it goes. I'll just try to bring it back every once in a while - no biggie.

    June hit it for me. I really don't want to take so many medications so I am and have been slowly trying to ween myself off some of the drugs or at least take the lowest dose possible. Sometimes that means having to put up with pain or that damn roaring tinnitus and so maybe I get a little heartburn. The meds are still there for me and I can take SOME OF THEM on an as needed basis.

    I'm happily amazed that so many people take so few drugs. I count the supplements as drugs too as they are putting something in the body that is lacking - you know what I mean? I've read numerous topics as you all have and I've read some of the problems that a lot of the people who have posted in here have. It's wonderful that you can get through the symptoms of this disease/syndrome and not take anything for it. I guess maybe I'm from a 'druggie' generation as when some of my symptoms get out of control, I do take a pill for it. Pill, there I've said the 'P' word. :eek:

    I wonder if my primary care physician has even really looked at all the drugs I'm taking to see if they are 'compatable'? I've had to tell him to correct my medical record because he's sent me to specialists and they have diagnosed me without providing the input (or my doctor getting it) to even check out what all I'm taking. Would the doctor be the best person to ask or the pharmacist? The pharmacists at our HMO are very careful about checking those things. In fact I always ask but then, It's not their job to tell me though they do try to help. I just don't think that my HMO doctor is gonna have the time to look through all my meds and try to find out if any one thing is hurting the other.
  13. hollymm

    hollymm Me, 'in' a tree.

    Sarita, whether you like it or not, your sweetness still comes out... :-*
  14. cc635

    cc635 New Member

    100% agree!
  15. June-

    June- New Member

    Holly, I would ask both the pharmacist and the dr about drug interactions and I would carry a list of what you take and how much. Maybe even a duplicate copy when you go to the dr or a new dr so you can hand it to them for their perusal and the record.
  16. hollymm

    hollymm Me, 'in' a tree.

    Good idea, I already do that. I have a bit of an outdated list of all my diagnoses but will update that one too. Yeah, there's too many to sit in the doctors office and fill them out - I always ask the front desk receptionist to please copy them for me.

    Oops, hit the 'post' to soon. asking both the doctor and pharm. is a good idea. I've just gotta get the "umf" to make an appointment and do it. Leaving the house is still very difficult for me.
  17. Imnoscientist

    Imnoscientist New Member

    Holly - just a suggestion - are you able to make an appointment with your PCP to just go through all your various diagnoses and prescriptions? As you say, you've seen a lot of specialists and have a lot going on. Might be worth having that talk to get it all straight in your doctor's head (and notes).
  18. hollymm

    hollymm Me, 'in' a tree.

    Yes I think I should. I just have to DO it!! He needs to get a bigger clue on what's going on with me. It's just kinda hard to tell a doctor his job - even in the nicest way possible. I guess I could blame it all on me...that usually works in this type of situation. Thanks INS, now I just need to kick my own butt in gear! =~)
  19. June-

    June- New Member

    Think maybe this isn't the doctor for you? Have you considered switching?
  20. hollymm

    hollymm Me, 'in' a tree.

    Actually yes, but this doctor is now trained to get me to a specialist right away. It took a number or years to teach him that. :)

    I'd really have to do some serious research and most of the best doctors aren't accepting new patients. I'm kinda stuck with the health plan. It's not a bad plan at all really but I only have so many choices for doctors. I just need to re-think how to go about teaching him how to collaborate with the other doctors and my medications to keep me healthy and make him think it was his idea (hey sounds familiar don't it? ;D). They do the maintenance and preventative level of health more than the oh, your really sick and I need to pay special attention kind of level of health.

    I'm just so sick of having to do so many things myself. Whine, whine, whine...yeah, I get it. Thanks for the push though, it is getting through.
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