Hi, I have been going to the gym twice a week and when I go I drink a scoop of this Inner Armour Nitro Peak -whey protein hydrolysate enhanced. If you have the time to look over these ingredients and recognize something in this product that is bad for MM, please let me know. ProNitro 7™: Grade A Full Spectrum Bioactive Whey Protein Complex (Containing Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Protein Isolate With Naturally Occurring Critical Bioactive Compounds Including Di, Tri And Oligo Peptides, Beta-Lactoglobulin, Alpha-Lactalbumin, Serum Albumin, And Immunoglobulins), Glycine, Taurine, BCAA's (Leucine, Isoleucine, Valine), Micellar Casein, Phosphoprotein Complex (Containing Alpha, Beta And Kappa Casein), Milk Protein Isolate (Containing 80% Casein And 20% Whey Protein Fractions), Lactase, Amino-Peak™ Amino Acid Spiking Polypeptide Complex [Containing Peptidase (Proteolytic Protein Maximizing Enzyme Complex)]. Other Ingredients: Cocoa (Processed With Alkali), Xanthan Gum, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Salt, Silicon Dioxide, And Sucralose®.
what strikes me right away is that if you have MAV there are triggers in that drink, milk proteins and sucralose. Many of us who have MM also have MAV. Have you look into migraine associated vertigo and it is common not to have migraines when having MAV. Do you react to this drink in anyway?
I don't think I have MAV. I haven't had a headache or pain in over 6 years. I don't have any of the criteria below. The IHS state in an appendix to their most recent diagnostic paper, state that the proper name for MAV is actually "Vestibular migraine", and that the terms "migraine-associated vertigo/dizziness", migraine-related vestibulopathy, and migrainous vertigo are "previously used terms:". This seems very pretentious as the IHS cannot control what terms people use for symptom collections like this. Well anyway, the criteria according to the IHS are: A. At least 5 episodes fulfilling criteria C and D. B. A current or past history of migraine with or without aura, using the IHS criteria. C. Vestibular symptoms of moderate or severe intensity, lasting between 5 minutes and 72 hours. We find this criterion vague and also odd. What exactly is "moderate or severe" ? Why stop at 72 hours. D. At least 50% of episodes are associated with at least one of the following 3 migrainous features: 1. headache with at least two of the following four characteristics: a). Unilateral location b). Pulsating quality. c) Moderate or severe intensity. This is vague. d) aggravation by routine physical activity. With very rare exceptions, all vestibular disorders are aggravated by head movement. They are generally unaffected by movement of things other than the head. This is a vague criterian. As criteria 1c and 1d will always be met, this criterian boils down to 50% of episodes with a headache. 2. Photophobia AND phonophobia. We don't see why both are required. There are also many more sensory exaggerations that are left out here too. 3. Visual Aura. This is so rare as to be nearly useless E. Not better accounted for by another ICHD-3 diagnosis or another vestibular disorder. This is the wastebasket clause. One would wonder what if you are dealing with another wastebasket syndrome -- such as CSD or cervical vertigo. Thanks for reading and responding!
I have read Some Drs like Dr Hain and others do not agree with those diagnosis guidelines. Have you look through this thread? http://menieres.org/talk/index.php?topic=32.0
these are Dr Hain's comments about the IHS criteria: Well anyway, the criteria according to the IHS are: A. At least 5 episodes fulfilling criteria C and D. B. A current or past history of migraine with or without aura, using the IHS criteria. C. Vestibular symptoms of moderate or severe intensity, lasting between 5 minutes and 72 hours. We find this criterion vague and also odd. What exactly is "moderate or severe" ? Why stop at 72 hours. D. At least 50% of episodes are associated with at least one of the following 3 migrainous features: 1. headache with at least two of the following four characteristics: •a). Unilateral location •b). Pulsating quality. •c) Moderate or severe intensity. This is vague. •d) aggravation by routine physical activity. With very rare exceptions, all vestibular disorders are aggravated by head movement. They are generally unaffected by movement of things other than the head. This is a vague criterian. As criteria 1c and 1d will always be met, this criterian boils down to 50% of episodes with a headache. 2. Photophobia AND phonophobia. We don't see why both are required. There are also many more sensory exaggerations that are left out here too. 3. Visual Aura. This is so rare as to be nearly useless E. Not better accounted for by another ICHD-3 diagnosis or another vestibular disorder. This is the wastebasket clause. One would wonder what if you are dealing with another wastebasket syndrome -- such as CSD or cervical vertigo. The author of this page, Dr. Hain, based on 1000's of patient care experiences, uses the following simpler criteria to assign the diagnosis of MAV. •Headaches that reduce ability to carry out activities of daily living, either ongoing, or having a past history of migraine headaches (e.g. previous aura) •Dizziness •No other reasonable explanation (i.e. wastebasket) •Responds to a migraine medication
hmm I just noticed you posted the criteria with Dr Hains comments lol but you do not need to have a headache to have MAV in fact it is more common w/o migraines. I am not saying you have MAV ..just asking if you have any symptoms since you asked about that drink.
If you want to discount MAV have a look at David Buchholz's book heal your headache. Don't be put off by the title as you do not need to have headaches to have MAV. A big part of Mav is food and drink triggers. Its worth looking at what Buchholz perceives as being the main MAV food and drink triggers and check them against your own regular diet.BTW Buchholz believes that menieres is in fact MAV. I am very well and I haven't suffered since Aug 2009 which is when I started to follow Buchholz's trigger avoidance diet
I have MAV and rarely get headaches, and never get true painful migraines. MAV (now referred to as Vestibular Migraine) refers to a host of symptoms, the main one being dizziness which can last from a few seconds, to hours and even days at a time. Neurologists don't know what causes it but it's very common...for example, one of the tennis-playing Williams sisters (I think it's Serena) suffers from it and is occasionally forced to retire from matches. Vestibular migraines have triggers such as weather changes, hormones, stress, food sensitivities, lack of sleep, fluorescent lighting and more. One of my main triggers turned out to be eggs, which I was eating daily. Gluten and wheat are another trigger. I also improved when I stopped eating a lot of processed food, and ate more vegetables, natural protien etc. such as chicken and wild fish. Magnesium supplements also helped enormously. I personally would avoid the above protien product.
SAlt and Cocoa is what I see... However, that being said I would look at that list of ingrediants and plop that back on the shelf. I have noticed that if I stick to basic ingrediants I don't have as much of a problem example.... If I buy chocolate milk the ingrediants should have no more then 2 or 3 ingrediants on the label and I have seen chocolate milk with 5 or 6 ingrediants.
HI, I'm just curious as to what's happening with me. Before I started taking antivirals I only had vertigo six times in the last two years. Of course, Six times is six times too many. I never had a full ear. Yes, I had tennitus, but that wasn't a big deal to me. But, then my ear got full. Driving me crazy. That's when MM became a Major Distraction in my life. So, that's when I started the antivirals. Get rid of the fullness!! When I first starting taking the antivirals my ear cleared up. YaY!!! Great!!! But, every day or every other day I had vertigo. But, heh!, I still had clear ear. To me, clear ear is a very good thing! But, the clear ear went away and it's been full for 13 days. BAD :-[ :-[, ....................... But, No vertigo. So.......I am thinking as I am progressing along on the "trail of anti-virals." A trail which is known as an up and down trail..... and a long trail. I am aware that I'm going to go through some parts of the trail that are down and dirty, kind of swampy. Which I am in right now. But, if I will stay on this trail. I and others believe I will reach a place where my hearing will be back to normal. But, .........then,..... I started thinking, "have I done something different in the last 15 days, which has caused my ear to go full?"----- Adding the whey protein powder was the first thing that came up. So, yeah, I'm just wondering if something in that protein mix is a major trigger for creating the full_ness in my ear? It's a mystery to me whenever/why-ever there is a change in my ear/hearing. I am just in the searching stages to find the cause of the problem and fix it. Thanks for reading. I feel like I am talking to people that are listening and helping me figure this out. Santacerely, "Santa"
Try eliminating it and see if you feel better, certain foods are triggers for MM and MAV, you just need to find out which ones are triggers for you.
My suggestion is to keep a log of when you feel poorly due to MM write down what foods you ate prior to symptoms flaring up, you should see a pattern and see what foods trigger your symptoms.