Progress??

Discussion in 'Your Living Room' started by vitolony, May 19, 2015.

  1. vitolony

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    I've been debating writing this post for a while. I think I'm getting better. *Knock on wood* I haven't had a vertigo attack since April 7th. 6 weeks! Wahoo! And the vertigo attacks I had for the 1-2 months prior to that were no where near as severe as the ones I had been having. The all night vomit fests.

    I started JOH in February sometime. I don't remember when exactly. I've been on the anti-virals for almost 2 months now. Went down on the dose 4-5 days ago. I also started upper cervical chiropractic, monolaurin and one or two other things over the last few months. So that's what I've done to achieve this recovery, if that is what it is. I had a cold a couple weeks ago, and the weather has been non stop thunderstorms around here for quite a while. No attacks. That bodes well, right?

    Last night, I ate home made hamburgers for dinner with over 700MG of salt in the meal. I haven't had that much salt in one sitting in MONTHS. I wondered if I would ever eat tasty food again. :D

    I do have a couple remaining concerns. First, is the quantity of things I am taking. I have lingering questions regarding how healthy it is for my kidneys and liver to be taking so many things. Some of them don't concern me, some of them do. I'm still taking a diuretic, but recently began ramping off of it. And I'm going to be going down to a maintenance dose on the anti-virals. And if this trend holds, I'll try to eliminate some things and see if it makes me feel any worse.

    I do have a question for you guys. For those who found relief via such means, did you still have balance issues for a while after the vertigo left? How long? I still have mild tinitus and occasional mild fullness in my bad ear. I'd love it if that went away, though only time will tell. The thing that really bothers me is the lingering balance issues I have. Sometimes I'm sitting there in my chair and it suddenly feels like I'm moving when I'm not. Or, I have a hard time changing focus with my eyes, especially while driving, without it feeling like I'm moving in ways I'm not. I understand why those things are happening(damage to the balance system), I'm just wondering if they will go away as my ear heals, assuming that is in fact what is happening to me right now. The nausea that comes with those feelings sometimes sucks. It's not vertigo, just annoying. And my anxiety usually goes up a notch if I get those feelings for any significant length of time.

    Does it sound like I'm getting better to you guys? I feel so scared sometimes. The last year of my life was a nightmare. So afraid for so long. I wanted to die. I actually stopped eating at one point, thinking I would starve myself to death. I lost so much weight. I could use a shoulder to cry on.
     
  2. BumbleBea

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    It sounds to me as if you're making progress. Weigh what you were experiencing before against how the severity of any attack may be now.

    Of course any symptoms will increase your anxiety. Anxiety is a big issue for many of us!

    Don't STOP eating, just be careful about what you eat. Now I lost weight before the Antivirals and now I've gained that back plus some since the Antivirals helped me, although I am experiencing a glitch right now. Not to make fun of you, but I surely wish I could lose that weight again.

    I'll be a shoulder to cry on, a sounding board, a supporter, anything you need to help you get through this.

    You've come to the right place and I'm so glad you shared so we can help.

    (((( HUGS ))))
     
  3. Vicki

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    no vertigo is a great sign you are getting better IMO, I hope it continues. The moving feeling could be MAV, are you avoiding MAV trigger foods? Have you explored the possibility you have MAV as well as MM? It's something for you to consider.
     
  4. vitolony

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    Thanks BumbleBea. Most of the time I'm a really bad introvert and don't like being around people much. Right now though, I really crave human contact. I was so scared for so long. Couldn't stop crying. My life felt like it was over.

    I have read your post in the database on MAV. It's certainly possible I suppose that I have that in addition to menieres. My attacks have pretty much always been purely MM. At least, that is what I believe. I would always be deafer in my bad ear after an attack. My good ear has normal hearing. My bad ear is around 30-40% loss. It was as bad as 60% loss during the really bad stretch I had in November-December of last year. I was so deaf then. That sounds like it was one of the big distinguishing factors when I read your post between MM and MAV. MAV doesn't actually do any damage to the hearing or balance organs. I do on occasion have ocular migraines. Where I get a visual distortion in the center of my vision and it slowly spreads over the ensuing hour until it leaves. They never cause any pain. My balance issues aren't like that though. They aren't episodic. They are pretty much constant over the last 6 or so months, or nearly so. Does that sound like MAV?

    Partly though, I just don't really want to consider the possibility. I've made SOOO many dietary changes over the last year, thinking(wrongly) that what I was eating was what was causing the disease. The eating stopped, but the attacks didn't.
     
  5. BumbleBea

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    Vitolo y,

    There's no place more anonymous and less scary than contact in the real world. Let it loose!!

    That being said, I've met and spoken to many here on the phone and they've become my lifelines.

    That's what this place is for- support.
     
  6. Phil Mac

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    I am for sure not making any suggestion one way or the other on this, but I also (for me quickly) read the MAV thread but thought "Na not me" I have MM, it wasn't until a bit later that I noticed a number of other members appeared to have both MM & MAV that I started to wonder & went back & had a further closer read, for me ticking off MAV symptoms I suffer, & now I am pretty sure I also suffer from both, for me it just fills too many missing pieces in..... so all I'm suggesting is go & have another full read of the MAV symptoms & see what you yourself think afterwards.
     
  7. vitolony

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    Thanks BumbleBea. I'll try to find some real contact. I don't have many friends. :(

    I'll read it again.

    Vicki. Can the chronic off balance feelings I have be accounted for my MAV? Can they also be a consequence of all the damage done via menieres attacks? I have no doubt in my mind that I do indeed have menieres disease. All the symptoms and markers are there. Unilateral hearing loss, tinnitus, vertigo, etc. I would be deaf as a post after a bad attack and my hearing would return (mostly) in the days/weeks that followed. Until I had another attack of course. I suppose the question is whether I have MAV in addition to that. Though I read through your list of recommendations, and the only things that stand out are that I still eat cheese and sour cream. The rest are all things I've come to on my own as I have tried to alter my life to eliminate the symptoms I have suffered from.
     
  8. serbian

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    I believe that if you have caloric test (vestibulometry), you should get an answer whether your vestibular sense is damaged or not. There is also another vestibular test called VEMP.
    Even if your vestibular sense is damaged, the brain should adopt it to the damage in some time.
    I am not a medical professional, and this is at the best of my amateur knowledge.
     
  9. vitolony

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    Vicki... Did you by chance read my last question to you?

    I have no question whether or not the balance system was damaged. When I would have the extreme vertigo attacks, I would be distinctly off balance for days in addition to being deaf as a post. Walking around in the dark was really hard for a while, as was changing focus too quickly with my eyes. My brain was relying more and more on my eyes for spatial awareness and balance as the input from my bad ear changed. If that isn't damage to the vestibular system, I don't know what is.
     
  10. serbian

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    Off balance may be attributed to many factors, not only peripheral vestibular senses. That's why e.g. MRI of the brain is performed to rule out a possible brain tumor. Another example, I got so stressed two days ago that I had been feeling as flying around the house before I fell on my knees. So stress could cause this feeling too, although in that case it should last for days.

    If you have not done vestibular testing yet, I strongly advise you to do it.
     
  11. serbian

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    edit: it should not last for days
     
  12. BumbleBea

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    I hope you didn't misunderstand me!!

    I'm not suggesting you find real world friends!!
    I'm trying to tell you that this is a safe place to gain support and many of us become real friends.
     
  13. Vicki

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    Yes MAV can make you feel off balanced all the time, are you sensitive to light and motion? Does the pc or TV ever trigger an attack or feeling of wooziness or dizziness? Are you sensitive to smells?
     
  14. vitolony

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    Thanks BumbleBea. Either way, you guys are wonderful.

    Sensetive to light. Yes. Sensetive to smells... depends on the smell. Some things make me nausious, like the smell of strong cleanering chemicals. But I also have tourettes and aspergers and a number of sensory issues. I have since I was 7. None of them EVER related to my sense of balance. I was as active a kid as could be. I rode motorcycles, played sports and loved rollercoasters. My biggest sensory issue is tactile. The feeling of certain clothes on my skin feels like fiberglass. Like flannel. I'd rather wear burlap than flannel. It hurts my skin. None of those things trigger the balance issues though.

    MM itself can cause lingering balance problems, can't it? The balance organ is dying. It takes the brain time to adjust to the changing information coming from the ear.
     
  15. Vicki

    Vicki Guest

    You may have MAV as well as MM given your sensitivities and constant imbalance. But that is up to you to look into or not.
    Whatever you decide, good luck and I hope you find relief.
     
  16. Santa

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    Hi Vitolony,

    I haven't had vertigo for 3 months. However; I have had many, and I do mean many times when I feel like Uh-Oh, could this be....., but, then it passes.
    Before, if I got that Uh-Oh feeling I would go right into vertigo.

    My balance is good most of the time. I do notice on Band nights I get a little off balance. But, most people do after a few Vodka drinks.

    I think you are on the road to recovery. At least, on the road to a better place than you have been.
     
  17. vitolony

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    Yeah, that's a good description. Moments, sometimes frequently, where before I would have begun wondering if I was about to be in trouble, but it never materializes. It seems to me that it simply could be whatever diminishing, causal agent that still remains attempting to ramp up to cause another attack, yet it doesn't have quite as much oomph as it used to so it just fizzles out. And, they seem to be getting fewer and farther between. On occasion, I would wake up and from the first moment know that I'm in trouble that day, being distinctly off balance. Those days have happened to me since April 7th, but not to the point of vertigo, and not for 3-4 weeks.

    And you are certainly right that I am in a better place than I was. Going from wanting to end my own life to now, feeling that if this continues I've been given a priceless gift.
     
  18. Gardengal

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    When at your worst, how often where you having vertigo? I have been on avs for 1 1/2 weeks. I am looking forward to seeing how I do after a couple months. I was having vertigo spells 1-3/day for 6 weeks. After 4 days on av I haven't spun again (for 1 week today!!). I don't feel good, I cannot go in stores or excersise BUT I am not miserable. I am hoping things improve from here. Is your confidence up? Could you, though you dont feel perfectly balanced, go out to eat or shopping?
     
  19. vitolony

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    At my worst, I was having 2-3 attacks a week, and my absolute worst was 3 attacks in 4 days. My confidence is definitely up. I don't eat out yet, though mostly for financial reasons. Since I got sick, my family and I have dramatically altered how we eat. Mostly in an ultimately failed attempt to resolve my condition through a healthier diet. But, I lost a lot of weight and am now much healthier than I was. My salt intake has gone up considerably over the last month. At my worst, eating much more than 600MG a day made me much more disposed to having vertigo. I ate 1200MG at dinner alone the other night. Not a peep out of my bad ear. So flavor has returned to my life. And I do all the grocery shopping for my family. So I'm out and about all the time. I understand not feeling good. I still don't feel totally normal, but I haven't had vertigo for over 6 weeks.
     
  20. Gardengal

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    Your reply is encouraging for me! I love to grocery shop (weird) but I haven't been able to in some time. Glad to hear you say you are out and about all the time. And the salt, I am sure the options have opened up for you again. Six hundred a day is LOW. Happy for you!
     

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