Improvement in the inner ear symptoms of Meniere's using low-frequency vibration

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  1. Vicki

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    full article
    http://www.edoriumjournalofotolaryngology.com/archive/2015-archive/100005ZJZO042015-zou/100005ZJZO042015-zou-full-text.php

    Improvement in the inner ear symptoms of patients with Meniere's disease after treatment using low-frequency vibration: A preliminary report

    Abstract

    Aims: To evaluate the efficacy of controlling the inner ear symptoms for the duration of 7 – 19 months specifically the vertigo in patients with Meniere's disease (MD) using a novel therapy that delivers low-frequency vibrations to the inner ear through the mastoid process.
    Methods: The system is composed of vibrational power generator that was driven by the centrifugal force of the rotating weight, and a head holder that couples the vibrator to the temporal bone skin. 14 MD patients were exposed for 30 min to vibrations at a fundamental frequency of 100 Hz at an intensity of 70.6 m/s2 and consisting of a cluster of harmonic waves ranging from 148 to 1120 Hz. The cervical vestibular evoked myogenic potentials (cVEMPs) were measured in the MD patients before and at 30 min post-vibration treatment. Gadolinium-enhanced MRI scan was used to detect potential endolymphatic hydrops in MD patients. The complaints in MD patients were followed for 7–19 months.
    Results: Twelve out of 14 patients felt comfortable within 24 h after exposure to the low-frequency vibration except that 2 patients did not show any benefit. The vertigo were significantly controlled by the novel therapy (p<0.01, Wilcoxon signed ranks test). There was insignificant improvement in hearing function after the treatment (p>0.05, Wilcoxon signed ranks test). The tinnitus and ear fullness were significantly improved after exposure to the low-frequency vibration (p<0.05, Wilcoxon signed ranks test).
    Conclusion: The novel low-frequency vibration therapy was effective in controlling vertigo, tinnitus, and ear fullness of patients with MD.
     
  2. Muff

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    Wow, Vicki. That sound very promising. I wonder if any U.S. doctors have tried this method. I am going to talk to my ENT about it. Thanks for sharing!
     
  3. tmcmahon2

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    I shouldn't have stopped going to clubs and listening to house and techno. That explains everything! :)
     
  4. Lisa

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    Wow Vicky thank you for posting that!! How
    Do you find these articles ? I hope they start
    Doing this here , it does not seem
    Invasive cant hurt .
     
  5. Vicki

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    You are all welcome, it was just published in June so it is a new study. But it does sounds good and pretty easy and definitely non invasive.
    Hopefully they can do a bigger study with a lot more people.
     
  6. Vicki

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    okay so that study got me to thinking, does this low frequency vibration suppress or even kill HSV (which is the cause of many of our MM). I came across some articles but this one from 2008 is interesting
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/03/01/a-new-way-to-kill-viruses-shake-them-to-death.aspx
    A New Way to Kill Viruses: Shake Them to Death

    Scientists may one day be able to destroy viruses by mathematically determining the frequencies at which they can be shaken to death.

    All objects have resonant frequencies at which they naturally vibrate. But too much vibration can destroy the object. Recent experiments have shown that laser pulses tuned to the right frequency can kill certain viruses. However, at present, locating these resonant frequencies is a trial and error task.

    Researchers are hard at work developing methods to calculate the vibrational motion of every atom in a virus shell. From this, they can determine the lowest resonant frequencies. For example, the satellite tobacco necrosis virus resonates strongly around 60 Gigahertz (60 billion cycles per second).

    It is unlikely that viruses will be able to develop resistance to mechanical shaking, as they do to drugs
     
  7. Vicki

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    and here is a more recent article from 2011
    Full article
    http://www.dmphotonics.com/PW2011/asu_tsen.htm

    Inactivation of encephalomyocarditis virus and herpes simplex virus by using a visible femtosecond laser request a quote

    Paper 7895-28 of Conference 7895
    Date: Wednesday, 26 January 2011
    Time: 12:10 PM – 12:30 PM

    Author(s): Shaw-Wei D. Tsen, Washington Univ. in St. Louis (United States); Kong-Thon Tsen, Arizona State Univ. (United States)


    Recently, a variety of viral systems, including M13 bacteriophage, tobacco mosaic virus (TMV), human papillomavirus (HPV) and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) have been shown to be inactivated by the irradiation of a near-infrared subpicosecond fiber laser. These experimental results indicated that the inactivation of viruses by an ultrashort pulsed laser might involve disruption of their protein coat through laser-induced excitation of large-amplitude acoustic vibrations. In this work, we report experimental results on the inactivation of both encephalomyocarditis virus (EMCV) and herpes simplex virus (HSV) by using a visible femtosecond laser derived from the second harmonic generation of a cw mode-locked Ti-sapphire laser system. The inactivation of these viral particles has been demonstrated to depend on the laser exposure time as well as laser power density. Possible mechanisms for the inactivation will be discussed.
     
  8. Lisa

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    Very interesting articles, makes a lot of
    Sense if this works in some mm cases.
    For me I don't think it's a virus I wish
    The antivirals helped me, but this gives great
    Hope .
     
  9. Vicki

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    how long were you on the av's Lisa and what dose? and did you get worse on them in the beginning?
     
  10. prozeal

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    That sounds pretty good. This is the second time I heard about a laser of sort helping with mm, the other being low level laser light therapy. Killing viruses by shaking them to death, haha fascinating idea. No idea how that works.
     
  11. Lisa

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    Vicky I was taking valtrex 500mg 3x a day I stayed
    On that dose for 6 weeks then two weeks on it 2x a day.
    I knew it said 3x daily for 3 weeks but I didn't
    Notice any change so I took it longer.
    My dr prescribed it for twice daily but I kept
    Refilling to take it 3x's . I didn't feel worse
    But I didn't feel better either . I wish it worked
    So I have an answer as to why I have
    This one dr did ask if I had cold sores
    Or shingles to see if it was viral but I didn't
    Have anything like that before the onset only
    Thyroid problems and an infected extracted tooth
    but I don't know if there Is a connection.
     
  12. Vicki

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    Lisa 500 mg 3 times a day is much less than the proper dose to start with. That could be why you had no results and was on a low dose for a very short time. That is not enough antiviral or time to suppress the virus if your is caused by one.

    For Valtrex Its 1000 mg 3 times a day for 3 weeks to 2-3 months depending. (3000mg to start, you were taking only 1500 mg which is close to a maintenance dose which could take many months to decrease to.)

    Also since you have migraines did you check out MAV and start avoiding its food triggers?
     
  13. Vicki

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    you could also ask your doctor for an HSV blood test to see if you have the virus, most of the population does even if they do not have MM.
     
  14. Lisa

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    I will get the blood test for the virus thank
    You cant believe doctors dont check for these
    thing and we have to ask .i have to recheck what the doage
    Was on the valtrex if it was 500 I will
    Def try it again .
     
  15. John of Ohio

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    Understand that a blood test for a herpes virus does not necessarily indicate the presence or absence of a herpes infection in the inner ear. One can have negative blood test, supposedly indicating no herpes infection; while still having a small hidden infection in the inner ear that a) does cause Meniere's symptoms, and b) can be effectively suppressed with antiherpetic drugs and supplements.

    --John of Ohio
     
  16. Nickyschick

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    This sounds sorta like what the Meniette's Device does but on a larger scale..... after it blows air into the air -- there is a low frequency pulsing that happens for about 30 seconds.... and it is a 5 minute cycle that i do 4 times a day....
     
  17. vitolony

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    How does one test this theory? Could I just buy an electric toothbrush, stick it against the bone behind my ear and turn it on for 30 minutes?

    I once heard an anecdotal report by someone, saying that they had tried a vibrator behind the ear and later had to expel a bunch of mucus. Gross, but must be hugely satisfying to see physical evidence of something leaving the ears.
     
  18. Vicki

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    LOL you would need to know the frequency of the virus and use that to shake it I believe
     
  19. Lisa

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    I guess that's why they don't check for the virus.
    I checked my dosage for the valtrex I was taking
    1 gram 3x daily , thought maybe I would
    Try again if I was taking less of a dosage but
    Doubt it will be a different result.
    I find the vitamin c is helpful for inflamation I appreciate
    All the info that you and everyone put out there. :)
     
  20. Vicki

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    I agree Lisa, you were taking the right amount and if you were on it that long with no results, unfortunately it wouldn't be the right treatment for you. So sorry it didn't help. But you do have a history of headache/migraines, which might point to MAV and might explain why the antiviral didn't help.
     

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