Cannibis Treatment for Meniere's

Hmmm. I never had, prior to mm trying to kill me.

 

How about Carl Sagan? An astronomer, cosmologist, astrophysicist, astrobiologist, author, etc. Long time user and proponent of cannabis?

It doesn't make you stupid. In fact, it is a neural regenerative agent according to one source I read. That would make sense to me. How else do I suddenly see my own life so clearly where before things seemed clouded and difficult to discern the truth of?

And yes, people should know the side affects, I've been the first in this thread to enumerate the risks as I have experienced them. I just don't appreciate propaganda based assessments of those risks. I don't believe the government, or most medical bodies have viewed this issues with an objective point of view required for real science to be done. When you have an agenda and preconceived ideas that something is bad and then fund a study on it... is it any wonder the study comes back and says that something is bad? They were looking for reasons it should not be used. Because for some reason, some people are offended when other people are happy.

 

Here is an example of what I'm talking about. People have thought for ages that cannabis kills brain cells, right? Based on what? In part, because a person who is in the midst of feeling the euphoric happiness that cannabis gives you don't in that moment appear intelligent. If that person is an intelligent person though, the following morning when they get up and go to work, they will appear just as intelligent as ever. Also though, there was that study done a while back on monkeys that "proved" cannabis kills brain cells. They strap a bunch of monkies down, stick a mask on their face and force them to breath cannabis smoke. The monkies brain cells started dying. See? Makes people stupid! What they didn't tell you is that they simultaneously deprived the monkies of oxygen! I could get the same results without the cannabis and claim that nitrogen causes brain cells to die and the "science" would be just as valid.

 

On these forums we have discussed many drugs, supplements, herbs and their side effects. Also most of the treatments we use for MM on here are not traditional or even endorsed by the medical community.

So calling side effects propaganda is ridiculous, and thinking people get offended if others are happy is .......I will keep my response to myself.
But I'm done with this now, I would not have gotten this far into this discussion if you had not gotten so defensive in the first place.

 

I'm not calling our discussion of side effects propaganda, or I myself would not have also been participating in that part of this discussion. How many times have I said moderation and caution are important in using this stuff through the course of this conversation? I'm saying I don't trust what the medical establishment has to say about this particular drug because... of obvious reasons. They have an agenda against it and have for decades. I mean, would you seriously disagree with that assessment?

You seem equally defensive here Vicki. But I'm game for dropping it if you are.

 

thanks Jaeger, here is something I found, reports from States that have legalized it.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/27/risks-of-marijuana/10386699/

these 2 points were particularly disturbing to me
Q. How is marijuana related to mental illness?
A. Marijuana increases the risk of psychosis, in which people lose touch with reality and may experience delusions, hallucinations and paranoia, Volkow says. Marijuana is also associated with chronic psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia, in people who are genetically susceptible. Heavy marijuana use can lead these people to experience a psychotic episode two to six years earlier than otherwise.
Colorado police have reported two deaths this year related to psychosis-like episodes in pot users. In March, a 19-year-old African exchange student jumped off a hotel balcony after eating a marijuana cookie. The next month, a Denver man who had purchased marijuana, including an edible form called "Karma Kandy," began hallucinating and fatally shot his wife.

Q. How is marijuana related to car accidents?
A. Marijuana doubles the risk of a car accident when people try to drive soon after using it. Marijuana causes more car accidents than any other illicit drug, a 2013 study shows. In comparison, being legally drunk — with a blood alcohol level of 0.08% — increases the risk of an accident by five times.
In a study released earlier this year, Columbia University researchers found that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, triple the rate from a decade earlier.

 

By comparison, those points are not disturbing to me. People die all the time for many, many reasons. I myself was seriously thinking about ending my own life due to this disease. We, here on this forum, are basically a fringe group in society. We are already at our wits end and are usually in desperate need of help. Can cannabis provide that help? I think it is clear that it can. Do a google search on "Cannabis Meniere's". You'll find more anecdotal reports of how this stuff positively impacts people with our disease than you can count. Yes, there are risks. There are also risks to getting into your car and driving down the street. And those risks are probably a lot greater than the risks one assumes by consuming a plant while you are sick.

2 people in Colorado? Do you know how many people are lighting up in this state right now? And over the same time, how many people got into a car accident because they ran a red light and killed someone?

Those risks are mitigated to the point of nonsense, IMO, by moderate and knowledgeable use. The kid who killed himself... ate the cannabis. And as we have already discussed, eating it is a lot more dangerous because the effects hit you in a delayed fashion, you stay high for longer and you really can't come down from it easily. That is why newbs shouldn't be eating cannabis. They should vape or smoke it because it is easier to control and easier to come down from.

 

Jaegar that article seems to be from unbiased sources and research done at Columbia, the graph shows an huge increase in drug related health emergencies

 

Ideally, yes. But in the real world, people who spend money on a study... basically always have a reason and a motive. The point is to read the research with your eyes open, IMO. And know the motives and biases of those performing the research, and then make your own decision. I for one, don't want to trust what the government says to me about a plant, and in this country, almost no research has been done until recently that wasn't funded by the government. Why? Because it's a schedule 1 substance with "no medical value". Tell that to the cancer patient who lived through chemo because cannabis allowed him to keep eating.

 

Where the research was done is irrelevant, IMO. What matters is who paid for it.

 

Here is another very interesting point.

Cannabis isn't doing anything in the body that the body doesn't already do on it's own. The body manufactures it's own cannabinoids. The only difference is in the quantity the human body can produce. Cannabinoids perform functions like... pain relief, immune system regulation, and others. They are used by the bodies in built endo-cannabinoid system. There are cannabinoid receptors in almost the entire body. Except... drum roll please... the brain stem.

I think of that as God's finger print. He knew this stuff was going to be used, in fact, I think he intended it. Go do a google search for any disease you like and the word "Cannabis", and you will find that there isn't much that can go wrong with the human body that cannabis doesn't positively impact. So God intended that mankind use this stuff, to great effect, and he knew that if it suppresses brain stem function, an overdose would kill people. But with no receptors in the brain stem, an overdose can't kill you. You might wish it could, but it won't. lol

Yes it is a powerful substance. It has to be in order to perform so many positive things in the human body. Anything powerful can be abused. Abuse will probably result in harm. So dose it carefully and have fun.

 

I would to Jaegar, it will be interesting to know, but the drug health emergency statistics is alarming its almost doubled for marijuana use. I would think those statistics shown on that article is not made up by the government but from hospitals themselves. But anything is possible I suppose.

 

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That would be interesting.

It would still depend on what kind of agenda they have when funding the study. Be definition, people in government, any level of government, are there because they desire power over others. I inherently don't trust people who want to tell other people how to live their lives. That doesn't mean I'm an anarchist. Far from it. I just view government as a necessary evil that should not be trusted.

 

If it truly was an emergency, how many of those people died? Surely some vast or significant percentage of them, right? You will find that none of them actually died, or some lamely small percentage.

They go to the ER because they are having a bad trip. Nothing more. Not that that is unimportant(as I hope the tone of my posts in the entire rest of this thread will prove), but it is not the emergency you think it is. High doses of THC produce anxiety and the appearance of an emergency when there really isn't one. You are not actually in danger. But many people don't know that. They see someone die on a TV show from a drug overdose and think that can happen to them, but it can't. And thus they think they should go to the doctor when they get too much cannabis. Those are the emergencies we're talking about here.

I've had a couple bad trips. The stuff I'm using right now wasn't quite as potent as the stuff I was using before. So I have to use just a tad bit more of it. In my grinder, there was a little nodule that was a little whiter than the rest and I vaped it without thinking too much about it using the same quantity as the rest of the material I had been using. It was actually more potent than the rest. Bad trip ensued. But sans receptors in the brain stem, the "emergency" is only in my head. It's something I am making up. I'm not saying that is unimportant, but it is 100% mitigated by knowledge and moderate use. If you start having a bad trip, go to sleep, you'll be fine. At worst, you'll throw up. We've all done plenty of that.

 

Since medical marijuana has a low percentage of THC I can understand why people who suffer and get relief want to use it and should if it helps them since studies show they do not get the side effects since most of the side effects are linked to THC. But the non medical stuff has a high percentage of THC, that is where the problem lies IMO.

I would hope states would conduct studies on both types.

 

True, but also not true. Medical cannabis dispensaries sell both the high CBD stuff, and high THC stuff, at least the ones where I live do. THC is where a lot of the pain relief is at. It's what makes you feel happy regardless of what is happening around you or to you. Understanding how it effects you, which can primarily be safely achieved by starting with ridiculously low doses and slowly increasing the dose, is where it's at.

 

then I will rephrase my statement.
I hope states do studies on the positive and adverse effects of both low content THC and high content THC and I still think the high content is the one that causes most health issues, but time and studies will tell.