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Having my VNS tomorrow.

Discussion in 'Your Living Room' started by Pupper, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Pupper

    Pupper Active Member

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    Still no improvement. Had VNS on Sept 20, '17. About 3 1/2 months ago.

    Saw Migraine specialist at ear clinic about 10 days ago. He put me on Migraine diet. I'd already been on it for a few weeks. Still on it now about a month now. Has not changed anything about my dizziness. I do not think I have migraine related MM (MAV). I probably have a virus and I'm continuing to take anti-virals and Lysine. I'm prolly a month into them now. No change, but I hear it takes months. (Every freaking thing seems to take months.)

    He put me on Effexor. I am to open up the capsule and take a few grains of it. I'm not exactly sure why Effexor. I think, basically, he said something about calming my nerves/suppressing the vestibular system. I guess like Xanax or vodka.

    If anyone knows about Effexor vs. Meniere's please chime in. I saw one post here, where I think it helped the person.

    Starting Effexor today. Hoping 2018 brings relief.
     
  2. tdoak

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    Sorry to hear no improvement Pupper. I have not used Effexor so I cannot comment on it. I really want 2018 to be the year things get better for us!
     
  3. Bonlyn

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    When I was first diagnosed I cut gluten out and it made a dramatic difference, I went almost a year until another attack. Though I still dream of the taste of a nice slice of pizza, the thought of triggering another attack, stops me cold.

    Wishing you find your meniere trigger this 2018 Pupper, thankful for your posts, especially comforting when one is going through an episode. - Bonnie
     
  4. June-

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    Keep working with the best doctors you can find. It may be something else.
     
  5. scott tom

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    When you say "no improvement", I'm curious about that. Are you still having full blown vertigo attacks like before the VNS? Are you keeping a daily journal of symptoms, etc.? It's easy to feel like there's no improvement, when actually improvement is just slow to come, so you want to be sure where you're at before dismissing the results of a treatment.
     
  6. Pupper

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    Good point and I agree. Which is why, yes, I do keep a daily journal. I use a number system and divide the day up into seven sectors. Each sector is about 3 hours. The daily totals haven't improved in 2 years.

    To be specific. The major 12 hour spinning attacks seemed to have burnt out.

    But I still get slow, non-nausea spinning attacks. About one every 2 months so far. Which shouldn't happen after a successful VNS.

    The head-movement dizziness from having the nerve cut, slowly gets better. Extremely slowly. This is the kind of dizzy that can be helped with therapy/activity.

    But, my internal dizziness remains unchanged. By "internal" I mean a constant dizziness that you feel when your not even moving your head or body.

    I am always dizzy. Often functionally. But mostly distractingly/upsettingly dizzy.

    My hope lies in two things.

    1. The surgeons didn't cut the nerve completely. Which means they can go back in and cut it correctly. (My girlfriend hates this idea. But I tell her it would mean a real...knowable...fixable...solution. I could care less about the pain of surgery and difficult recovery. My God, if a follow-up VNS could still fix this thing then let's do it tomorrow! I hope my balance test/ENG in late January shows the bad nerve is is still alive...so we can kill it...again.)

    2. I have a virus and my anti virals will help significantly.
     
  7. Pupper

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    Interesting thing. The migraine specialist at the clinic advised me to get off the antivirals, since after 3 weeks "they haven't been helping you anyway." I didn't bother to tell him that the literature says antivirals can take up to 3 months or more.

    I don't even feel like seeing him for the follow up he scheduled. I'm thinking about just making an appointment with the clinic's allergy specialist. Dr. D. My thinking being that she has a better understanding of antivirals than he does.
     
  8. Pupper

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    Just to be clear. The major, 12 hour, fast spinning, attacks stopped about a year before my VNS surgery.
     
  9. BayMama

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    So sorry this keeps going on and on. It does sound like you are making progress in your understanding, though.

    My main MAV trigger was eyestrain--nothing to do with a diet. I'd look up a list of migraine triggers yourself, and see what looks suspicious.

    Acupressure wrist band really take the edge off constant dizziness and/or nausea for me. I use these: http://www.sea-band.com/
     
  10. scott tom

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    He sounds like an idiot. What was his reason for getting off the antivirals other than they aren't working as fast as he'd like? They are completely safe and have little to no side effects. There's no logical reason why he shouldn't be willing to let them work their course for 3-6 months. Just another reason that doctors are a stumbling block for many, instead of a helpful resource.

    So the VNS did nothing to improve anything?

    I can see your logic for this. But honestly, if i were you, and i was going to go this route (assuming that you're confident you are unilateral), then i'd skip the VNS and do a laby. The laby typically includes soaking the entire socket in gentamicine, which burns away any remaining nerve endings that might want to grow back.


    I'm really sorry this sucks so much for you. But don't give up.
     
  11. Pupper

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    Scott, he didn't give any reason why I should get off the antivirals other than they weren't working so far, 3 weeks in. He said with a shrug that I could keep taking them if I want.

    He thinks I may have PPPD. Persistent Postural-Perceptual Dizziness.

    From what I can tell from my research, it's basically Meniere's but made worse by anxiety/depression/visual stimulus. It used to be called phobic postural vertigo PPV. Hense he prescribed small amounts of Effexor for me.

    PPPD can co-exist with other vestibular disorders, such as Meniere's. So again, everything's complicated. And there are no tests for it.

    Here are some symptoms of PPPD:

    "Symptoms are typically worse with:
    --Upright posture (standing or sitting upright)
    --Head or body motion
    --Exposure to complex or motion-rich environments"

    So, no different than Meniere's then.

    Again, to me, it just means your Meniere's/dizziness symptoms are made worse by stress/movement/busy visuals. We already knew that.

    I'll keep taking the Effexor. I'll try anything.

    Here's an article on PPPD

    https://vestibular.org/pppd
     
  12. mbgphoto79

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    I totally have that. I mean, this is an armchair self diagnosis but that sounds like my daily struggle. Didn’t know it was a “thing” outside of MM. With my job being constant stimulation on all fronts I don’t expect it to get better.

    Keep with the AVs. I’m on week 6, and overall things are better. I still have daily symptoms but it’s kind of like the AVs have sanded the edges off a sharp object in my head. No more vertigo episodes (fingers crossed) and a change in tinnitus are my signs for now. I’m reeling today from a lapse in dietary judgement yesterday (another reason to believe that the MM is viral, I had a few arginine rich foods).

    Again, thanks for the above link...thinking about you dude.
     
  13. June-

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    If you do a laby, ask about potential for cochlear implant in the future shouldyou want/need one. Not all approaches may be equal in that regard.

    Dr D is a good big picture person who will consider various angles, not wedded to just one in my experience. More sets of eyes are good.
     
  14. Pupper

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    Scott. Suggesting a laby over a VNS is quite a statement. I do have about half of my hearing left in my MM ear, so I think it's too early for a laby. Perhaps you didn't know I still have a good amount of hearing left in the bad ear.

    If my MM dizziness is viral related, would a laby solve the dizzy?

    MPG. I hate what stores do to my dizziness. Can't imagine you actually work in one. Can they give you an office job? Do you take a Xanax before work? Maybe try taking just quarter of one.

    June. That's good to know about Dr. D. Thanks.
     
  15. scott tom

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    Hi Pupper

    Hearing can be saved with a laby as well, but no, i forgot you still have a lot of hearing.

    Laby can stop the vertigo, but it does nothing against the cause. It's a good last resort.
     
  16. mbgphoto79

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    No office job for me since I run the appliance department. I must be there to sell because I’m the only full timer. And yes, I take 2 mg of Valium daily. I haven’t extended myself to the Xanax, I seem to be getting by OK on the CBD oil for now.
     
  17. Pupper

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    Three cops showed up on my doorstep this morning. I had a slow rotation attack yesterday. My veterinarian called during attack to tell me my dog was ready for pickup. I told her "can't, dizzy" and hung up. She called again I didn't answer. Too hard reaching for my phone etc. So this morning I guess they called the cops. They parked two squad cars in front of my neighbor's house for about 15 min. Wondering if I should call neighbor and let her know I'm not a murder suspect or haven't beaten my girlfriend.
     
  18. mbgphoto79

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    Well, one things for sure, your vet has you in their best interests! But it's so hard to explain to people that getting out of bed and existing as more than a body takes an act of congress some days. It gets old to us, and it gets old to the ones around us. It helps to have someome in my family who also has MM, they can vouch for me and relate when I need to vent.
     
  19. I’m so sorry, Pupper. ??? That’s mortifying, isn’t it, when all you really want to do is get back to being you?! I’ve mentioned before I had to make sure people know my husband would never hurt me(when I got hurt from drop attacks). A few years ago I also had police sent to my home because my neighbors hadn’t seen me in a week or so? The best I can remember, I’d been sick in bed most of the week with the roller coaster vertigo, so of course no one had seen me. Luckily, I was able to show myself, just say I’d been sick, and they left. I didn’t know if I should be grateful my neighbors cared, or mad they didn’t just come and knock on my front door. I realized that in this day and age people are petrified of getting involved, so ultimately I just decided to go to each of my neighbors and explain how sick I was...in detail. Never had a problem again. I never really felt comfortable around those neighbors again though...
     
  20. PapaJoe

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    Take comfort that your vet was worried about you and took action to make sure you were ok!
     

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