I recently had an MRA (MRI of arteries- brain/neck) that had a rather interesting finding. Apparently, I have a high jugular bulb on my most symptomatic side. The radiologist told me this can cause Meniere's-like symptoms, although a very small percentage of "normal" people (3%) have this and don't suffer any problems. I guess one is not born with a HJB, but it can develop as one ages and usually makes an appearance by age 50. Not sure if this has been discussed here before, but thought I would mention it as it was new information to me. In my case, the neuro-radiologist specialist is on vacation, but he will look at my images when he returns as it was a run-of-the-mill radiologist who read the report. Hopefully, he will be able to tell me if this is worth looking into in my particular case. I'm hoping RedBird sees this as I ran across a case study of someone who experienced intermittent one-side facial palsy as well as Meniere's-like symptoms. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134823/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24647494
That is very interesting! Thank you for thinking of me. That does sound like a definite possibility since I have had the facial palsy twice already and I have read that it is rare to get it multiple times. I also get frequent headaches and head pressure so I have been looking into MAV a lot lately. Good luck, KennedyLane! Hopefully, the specialist will be able to tell you more. I had a CT scan in March 2013 after all of this started for me and they said everything looked normal. I wonder if that is something the high jugular bulb is something they look for? Or I wonder how well known this is. Or maybe it shows up only on an MRI? I will have to look more into this. I have become obsessed will googling things since my symptoms started. lol
I found an interesting report when searching just now about a woman who had a blood clot in the left internal jugular vein and had Meniere's symptoms. She was alleviated of her symptoms by being hospitalized and anticoagulated. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hyperhomocysteinemia+and+left+internal+jugular+vein+thrombosis+with+...-a0111111836 I wonder though how long she had been suffering from Meniere's symptoms before this was discovered.
I really don't know that much about it myself. However, when my symptoms first started over two years ago, I had a CTA (A CT scan of the arteries in my neck and brain), and I was told everything was normal. I have read that the HJB can develop/worsen over time and that particular blood vessel is highly susceptible to changing position (my interpretation of quickly read material). I was told it is plausible that my aggressive sit-ups, yanking up my head and neck repeatedly may have started its formation. The imagining I just had done was a regular MRI of the brain and then also an MRA, which is a special MRI looking specifically at the blood vessels that run through the neck and brain. Interestingly, the radiologist who initially read the report didn't mention the unilateral high jugular bulb at all. However, my husband asked a radiologist colleague of his to look over the pictures, and he was the one who said it jumped right out to him. (He said when he reads these images in someone who describes headache, pulsatile tinnitus and vertigo, he always looks specifically for a HJB.) I'm not sure why the first radiologist didn't mention it. Once it was pointed out to me on-screen, even I could see a dramatic difference in the two sides. It will be interesting to see if the neuro-radiologist has the same impression. I haven't had time to do much reading about it, but a couple papers I skimmed over said that a HJB may be a suspect in a great number of Meniere's cases. Finally, is the moderator able to correct my spelling of the word "Jugular" in the title of the original post? I don't believe I can do that.
A couple more interesting "abstracts": http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00405-014-3063-x We have read the article by Park et al. “Jugular bulb abnormalities in patients with Ménière’s disease using high-resolution computed tomography” with great interest. In this study, the authors demonstrated that 21 % of patients with Ménière’s disease exhibited jugular bulb abnormalities (JBA), but with no significant increase in vestibular aqueduct dehiscence. We agree with the authors who conclude in an association, but no causality, between Ménière’s disease and JBA. Nonetheless, other studies have described Ménière-like syndromes caused by vestibular aqueduct dehiscence induced by JBA [1, 2]. Importantly in these cases, efficient treatment can be proposed that is either surgical [3] or endovascular [2]. It is then important to differentiate between which vestibular aqueduct dehiscences are responsible for the Ménière-like syndromes, and which are fortuitous associations. To do so, the surgeon must look for four clues indicating that the vestibular dehiscence is symptoma and: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/259499518_New_Treatment_of_Vertigo_Caused_by_Jugular_Bulb_Abnormalities New Treatment of Vertigo Caused by Jugular Bulb Abnormalities. 12:23 EDT 18th July 2014 | BioPortfolio Home » Citations » Surgical innovation » New Treatment of Vertigo Caused by Jugular Bulb Abnormalities. Summary of "New Treatment of Vertigo Caused by Jugular Bulb Abnormalities." Objective. Jugular bulb abnormalities can induce tinnitus, hearing loss, or vertigo. Vertigo can be very disabling and may need surgical treatments with risk of hearing loss, major bleeding or facial palsy. Hence, we have developed a new treatment for vertigo caused by jugular bulb anomalies, using an endovascular technique. Patients. Three patients presented with severe vertigos mostly induced by high venous pressure. One patient showed downbeat vertical nystagmus during the Valsalva maneuver. The temporal-bone computed tomography scan showed a high rising jugular bulb or a jugular bulb diverticulum with dehiscence and compression of the vestibular aqueduct in all cases. Intervention. We plugged the upper part of the bulb with coils, and we used a stent to maintain the coils and preserving the venous permeability. Results. After 12- to 24-month follow-up, those patients experienced no more vertigo, allowing return to work. The 3-month arteriographs showed good permeability of the sigmoid sinus and jugular bulb through the stent, with complete obstruction of the upper part of the bulb in all cases. Conclusion. Disabling vertigo induced by jugular bulb abnormalities can be effectively treated by an endovascular technique. This technique is minimally invasive with a probable greater benefit/risk ratio compare with surgery.
I was told that my left jugular is significantly more dominent than the right (everyone has one that is slightly more dominant) and it has a "spur" that comes off it near the left ear. The report from the radiologist was that the spur near the ear (if any pressure such as sinus existed) could cause the symptoms/attacks as the blood flow gets interrupted going to the brain. That said though, three doctors since all disagreed that it is a factor. UGH. I also read (believe it was on the old board) that "sticky blood" can cause the same thing. I have not yet been to the doctor to have them run the blood test to determine if my blood is abnormally thick. (I know my mom's always was.) If that is part of it I have read about different vitamins that improve the blood flow that could potentially help.
nicmger, that is really interesting what you are saying about "sticky blood". That has been in my mind a lot lately wondering if it could be part of my problem. My sister was recently told that she had Factor V Leiden, which is a blood clotting disorder. She received mutated genes from both of my parents so I very well could have as well. I have been thinking about getting tested, but what kind of doctor would I go to?
That's interesting, nicmger, about your jugular. The way I understand it (and I'm no expert ) is that the jugular vein runs through the neck up into the head. The part of the jugular vein in the head runs very close to the inner ear and drains blood/fluid away from the brain. If a jugular bulb is too high up in the head it can actually intrude upon the inner or middle ear. The theory, I believe, is that a high riding jugular bulb can push against the vestibular aqueduct and prevent the endolymph from draining properly thus leading to hydrops. I believe they can also cause dehiscence of the inner ear structure as well. Once again, not an expert here... just passing along what I understood from the radiologist.
Redbird - any doctor can order the blood test for the clotting factor. You wouldn't have to see a specialist. KennedyLane - the report didn't indicate that my jugular bulb was too high but that it is significantly larger and more dominant; that combined with the spur that comes off it near the ear is what they felt could cause the symptoms. 'Course clearly I have had the same veins for years so in theory if that was the cause it should have caused issues long ago in life vs suddenly when I was 42. LOL
My understanding is that in the majority of people, one jugular bulb is bigger than the other, so I don't believe that is the issue. The concern is more where the bulb ends up. Perhaps by a "spur" they meant a diverticulum? I have read articles discussing a diverticulum (out-pouching) of the jugular bulb that can intrude on the middle or inner ear causing symptoms. And, I understand that a high jugular bulb (and a diverticulum) forms over time, but is usually done forming/moving by the age of 50. It's a dynamic structure that is not anatomically stable. It's progressively molded by hemodynamic forces. So, even though you've had the same jugular veins since birth, the bulb moves and can form an out-pouching as one ages.
Okay, my MRA was read today by the neuro-radiologist. He does not think I meet the criteria for a HJB. So... ruled-out. Nonetheless, I hope the information posted will be of help to someone on this board.
Thanks, nicmger. I am going to my GP next week for a checkup and blood work. I am going to ask to be tested for Factor V. Leiden which is what my sister has.