I agree 100% but they do it voluntarily and must accept the risks and the first priority they should have is keeping others safe in their own communities. There are risks with going over there and should be standards and procedures in place to protect us the innocent from tenor decisions.
There are nice ways to do it that show appreciation and lame ways to do it that show selfishness on our part. I think we need to do it the nice way. I also think it should not be done just for show. If you arent going to quarrentine people who are exposed in the us, why make a big deal out of quarrentining people who were exposed risking their lives over seas? Maybe we should quit relying on volunteers if we dont appreciate their sacrifice and draft people to work in hospitals here.
I love doctors, I sleep next to one every night. She feels the homeland needs to be protected as well. It would astound you with some things she told me about CDC and how unprepared these hospitals are for a big Ebola outbreak. Nurses will call out sick and not come to work with the standards that are in place. If 100 people showed up at Emory with Ebola, they could not care for them. Just not enough resources/ rooms ect..... Hospitals only have a few rooms dedicated to correct isolation standards.
I haven't read anything in the news about blaming the doctors and nurses who in my opinion are heroes for going there and helping and doing the same here. I do think Dr Spencer was reckless by not taking precautions for 21 days after coming back to the USA. That's why a predetermined plan of quarantine should be implemented. But no way should we rely on individuals doctors or not to self quarantine and trust they do the right thing.. I mean look at that NBC's Dr. Nancy Snyderman who is NBC's chief medical editor and correspondent who broke quarantine to get some soup, stupidty beyond belief. If you are not familiar with that incident http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2014/10/nbcs_dr_nancy_snyderman_apologizes_for_violating_voluntary_isolation_agreement_when_in_princeton.html
I agree Vicki! The CDC told the nurse it was ok to fly when she reported a fever. If you go over there a mandatory quarantine should be the rule, Not ado called self quarantine where you go around as if nobody is at risk. All it takes is 1 child in one school and there will be chaos. Thank god none of the infected have had kids.
There are just too many errors being made by by the cdc and people who should know better that is causing most of the fear.
A quarantine mandate should be in effect in both the USA and WA. It's a no brainier. Reduce the chances of Ebola becoming a pandemic. No sense at all in self quarantining whether they have someone supposedly monitoring or not. That's not the answer. Until a secure strategy is in place the best thing to do is to contain the chance of it spreading. We already have people who have survived to test immunities, if that's the protocol they are using. REMEMBER a DR who was treating patients with Ebola,who knew all the risks involved, flew here, went out, was in direct contact with his girlfriend and others. He felt fatigued but he used the subway, he went bowling, he probably used restrooms. I'm sure he sweat. Maybe her wiped his mouth with his hand and touched a surface. He acted irresponsibly. What is to stop other people over there from doing the same? Taking a temperature at an airport? RIDICULOUS!! No prejudices need be mentioned in relation to containment of this disease. If there is any chance a person was exposed, quarantine, period. Do not let this disease spread because of ignorance or being afraid what other countries will think. All countries should be concerned and practice the quarantine. Keep people safe! BD, I completely understand nurses walking out on their jobs not wanting to risk exposure to themselves and loved ones. My own daughter has classes in a hospital environment. Her and her fellow classmates have discussed this and it was unanimous that if there is the slightest chance of risk to any of them they would not attend those classes.,thankfully the college has already agreed and made the decision to cancel all hospital classes should risk be involved.,they are thinking ahead and reassuring the students and parents. That is a decisive action! That's what we need. Not all these BS press conferences that say something different every time you hear it. Just make a decision to protect the people and the spread of this disease. As I posted earlier, remember this Dr knew the risks involved, supposedly took precautions while treating patients and still contracted the disease. Now he says he doesn't know how he got it. ( that makes me feel safer, NOT!) and still flew home and went out. Well, he did take his temp twice a day and notified the proper people when he noticed he had a temp,met hats a really good plan because look where it got him. Now if he were quarantined for 21 days before being allowed to come to the U.S. he would have been monitored and not put others at risk. That's exactly what he did. He put others at risk.
Let's try a scenario. YOU are in an environment where you are in close contact with patients with ebola.,or you're in a vicinity where Ebola is rampant. You want to come to the U.S. or anywhere to be with all of your loved ones for holiday festivities. Your choices are to come home with the possibility that within a 21 day period you may develop Ebola and potentially spread it to those you love most. Husbands, wives, children, parents, aunts, uncles,grandparents, friends, etc. OR you plan ahead and be in quarantine for 21 days and come home knowing that you do not have Ebola... For me the choice is easy.
Remember that none of the people who lived in the small apartment with the man in texas got ebola. They know this because they were quarrentined. The doctors say this is because the patient is not contagious until he is symptomatic and the more deep into the disease, the more symptomatic. This is why only health care workers have been affected so far. In west africa, most people have been cared for not in hosptials but by relatives who become de facto health care workers, thus the spread. So these health care workers who know about this disease first hand, not by rumor, do not believe they are putting their loved ones at risk. It's not that you care about your loved ones and they dont, it's that you are dealing with a different set of facts than they are. But the public is dealing with not just facts but fears and adrenaline. For that reason, the public officials have to do things to quell fear. Quarrantining is cheaper and easier than following health care workers all over the place. But just to keep in perspective, list all the things that take more lives than ebola every year in the united states. It is a very long list of things people have no intention of considering giving up. People mostly want other people to give up stuff to make the place safer, not themselves. Yeah, we need to think this through, but just talking about how those health care workers who risk their lives for others are really the bad people and those of us who stay home and bad mouth them are really the good people ... That is a hard sell to me.
that man Duncan vomited in public places, parking lots etc Public officials are the ones causing the fear and anxiety because of all their screw ups, bad info and bad advice. .
Plus if you look at the polls most do not trust the govt anymore due to all the lies we have been told in the last few years. so besides all their screw ups with this virus we find it hard to trust them...ie.. the journalist got ebola from washing a car!! I mean how stupid do they think we are???? we still don't know how he contracted it.
right now there is a young boy who was in West Africa within the past 21 days is being tested for the Ebola virus after developing a fever today.
From the man who supposedly knows best. If you look closely at the CDC manual on Ebola and really read the fine print it clearly states that the virus has the ability in the right conditions to live up to 72 hours outside the body on various surfaces. can you imagine using a public restroom after that dr. in the bowling alley. Talked about being scared shitless. Its become politcal as everythng else in the US. Keeping the public safe has now turned into a fiasco that will be run by lawyers. i am very disappointed in the health care workers who take a vow to help and protect others are now gettng lawyers because they feel they should be allowed to wonder around town with fevers, going bowling, out to eat, riding in subways just after getting home from WA. The nurse in NJ has gotten a lawyer and they have released her to her to be transported to Maine, her hometown. -------Lets not all forget this is a healthcare worker who was returning from WA and was put through the same protocol as all others returning from WA and she registered a 101 degree temp. Now she is saying she was treated inhumane. Unbelievable. Now a 5 year old boy in NY may have the virus. imagine the fear at his daycare/school if he indeed does. I wish i could tell you some of the stories my wife has told me about what went on in that hospital in Texas with Duncan and some of the stuff she gathers form colleagues at the CDC. she works at Emory University and the CDC is basically on the same campus. she looks out her office and less than 100 feet across the street is the CDC.
ok this really sux: "Facing fierce resistance from the White House and medical experts to a strict new mandatory quarantine policy, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Sunday night that medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients in West Africa but did not show symptoms of the disease would be allowed to remain at home and would receive compensation for lost income." Cuomo said his decision balanced public safety with the need to avoid deterring medical professionals from volunteering in West Africa. “My No. 1 job is to protect the people of New York, and this does that,” he said. Those quarantined at home will be visited twice a day by local authorities, he said. Family members will be allowed to stay, and friends may visit with the approval of health officials. I hope they are monitored to make sure they do not leave their home and what if they do develop it, what about the people they live with.... Bullying is NOT Nice!
They released her, because she hired an attorney and was going to sue. I agree with the governor of NY and NJ: their job is to protect the people of their state and city.
I agree with that statement too but I don't like that the white house pressured him to ease up on his mandate. NYC is too populated to take any chances.
great idea CDC: Lets put 30 million people at risk so we can please and placate to one doctor and one nurse who feel they have been treated unfairly after returning from WA, when they were both showing signs of Ebola with fevers. Maybe i have a different perspective, but i do not bow to the feet of doctors and healthcare workers, maybe it is because i am married to one and i see them as normal people and not some figure that has the initials MD after their name that is supposed to command some sort of extra privlege and respect. To me they should be treated as anybody else. Had this been some garbage man returning from WA or some restaurant or hotel worker the rules would be different. Everybody have a great day and keep all the sick and suffering in your prayers today no matter what the disease and where they may live, we all know what it is like to be sick and suffering and have no answeres. ----- God Bless
the young boy in NYC mentioned previously, has 103 fever vomiting and diarrhea, they are trying to get in touch with all that came in contact with him. Prayers for this boy to get well.