Enjoying Full Remission by Managing Histamine and Its Triggers

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  1. stemcell 1

    stemcell 1 Member

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    Rubygirl:



    I ask this question a lot. Do your symptoms follow a time of day schedule?

    Eliminating barometric pressure or obvious triggers.

    In regards to histamine. The are some genetic problem that could lead to constant

    elevation. But, that being said. Reactive histamine only has a biological half-life of

    20 minutes. So as long as the trigger that is causing the inflammation is there the histamine will

    continue to be secreted. In the case of vertigo and food or even odors, the trigger can be through

    the saliva carrying that food allergen irritating the Eustachian tube, causing it to swell and put

    pressure on the nerve grouping near the inner ear. A similar reaction occurs with allergens entering the sinus.

    Although, curiously, foreign wheat allergen that cause glossitis, don't seem to effect the inner ear.

    Intestinal allergens, like gluten, may increase histamine during an attack but probably the level

    does not effect the inner ear. A couple a way to control the intestine are. A probiotic, Culturelle.

    This contains Lactobacillus, Similar to the bacteria that a mother gives to her child to digest milk.

    Sometime a foreign bacteria can take up residence in the gut and have a different metabolic pathway

    for breaking down food stuffs and produce metabolites that are allergenic to you. In this case flax seed

    oil is useful. It is an anti-inflammatory. For mild diverticulitis 2000 mg flax seed oil with 6-8 ounces

    of Metamucil. Note: when taking fatty acid supplements. If for the body, no food. Fatty acids can be adsorbed by fiber.

    If for the gut, take with food.

    Yeast allergies are rare.

    Bottom line, It's not the histamine that is the problem, it's what caused the irritation to
    begin with.
    Note DAO is a nono. It inhibits the production of spermidine. Spermidine increases cell life and is
    necessary forn the intestinal microvilli absorbtion.


    I have added some anatomy in keeping with the Meniere's group.

    Notice the proximity of the Eustachian tube to nerves.

    Notice the large intertwined nerve group over the Eustachian tube.
    Larry


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  2. mountain_man

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    Notice the proximity of the Eustachian tube to nerves.

    Notice the large intertwined nerve group over the Eustachian tube.
    Larry


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    Hello Larry, thank you very much for the information. What should we do with this information now?
     
  3. stemcell 1

    stemcell 1 Member

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    My intension is to give os visual representation of the source of symptions.
    It's important to understand why the symptoms are so varied and appear to produce symptoms
    beside the ear and why often times only one ear is involved. If you look closely at the neuroanatomy
    you see a lot of crosing of nerves and vessels. Irratation by allergens,infection, barometric pressure,
    even an old injury to a structure in the inner ear ( my problem ). The virigo is easy for people to understand,
    but some time it's hard to relat to a siff neck and blurred vision unltil you realize that the irrated scalp nerve near the ear can place pressure on the occiple area.
    Most of the time the symptoms grow with time as the swelling engulfs more the nerves in the cluster.
    It only take one pontent trigger to accost all of the nerve group.
    I am working with a one does all anti-inflamatory. I am trying is orally, But I think it will end up as a transdermal
    like my othe fixes.
    Did this help
     
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  4. mountain_man

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    Did this help[/QUOTE]

    Hello Larry,
    Thank you very much for your explanations. It would be helpful to me if we could derive real recommendations for action from them. For example, how can we determine the things you explain? Who makes the diagnosis and how?

    Do you understand what I mean?
     
  5. Rubygirl

    Rubygirl Active Member

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    Hello Larry.

    To answer your question about timing, I haven't had a MD attack in a while but when I did it very often hit me early in the morning like 4am-6am. I would wake up with the world spinning. Which does line up with the daily fluctuations in histamine levels which tend to be higher at night or in the very early morning.

    I agree that the histamine itself is not the origin/root cause issue and that there are various triggers for histamine release -> then this released histamine triggers inflammation -> you get inflammation of the inner ear and structures around it that you describe. But while I am definitely in favour of finding out the root cause of the problem (and name various possible sources in my document) there is also benefit in working on lowering any and all histamine that might be coming in or triggered by our diets or lack of certain nutrients because this is a lot easier for us to control than something in the environment like mold or pollen for example. And if you reduce histamine, however you do it, you will reduce the inflammation and benefit yourself.

    But I have said right off that this whole thing I'm talking about does not apply to everyone such as people with past injuries like yourself where we can pinpoint a cause. This is more for people like me where nobody, no test, can tell us what's wrong. But obviously there is something wrong.

    DAO and spermidine have a complicated relationship because if you have too much spermidine, it inhibits DAO and then your histamine goes up. But DAO supplements appear to only have a 19 minute half life in the body so they are not active for that long. If you're taking them only twice a day with say lunch and dinner and they get used up that quickly - I can't see how that is going to cause a spermidine deficiency situation.

    You mention flax seed oil as a useful anti-inflammatory. Flax seed oil has this property because of the Omega 3 it contains. But unless someone is a vegetarian/vegan, getting your omega 3 fatty acids from fish oils is the better form to take because the type in Flax Oil has to be converted to a more active form and some people don't convert it well (like me, says my genetic testing). But anyway, I do recommend Omega 3 fatty acids in what I wrote.

    I am completely in favour of probiotics (Lactobacilli, Bifidobacteria and others) but not all strains of these bacteria are good for people with histamine issues. I specifically mention the "better ones" in my document for people who are interested in supplementing with these (I do). Beneficial for sure but not everyone has the money to buy everything and I wouldn't start with these before some of the other recommendations.
     
  6. AndrewF

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    Hi Rubygirl, I would like to hear your feedback about my post fee days ago :)

    I have been trying a low histamine diet for two weeks and had no attack. It was Very encouraging, but then suddenly I had another attack, and then another one few days after.

    In your experience:

    1) 2 weeks is too short time to see benefits?
    2) I probably had something that increased suddenly the level of histamine in my body? If so, should I look at what I ate few minutes or few hour earlier than my attack?
    3) do you have any problems with yiest? I read that it can increase histamine as well.
    4) since you wrote:
    "and it's only half the battle because then there is histamine that is released INSIDE your body that the DAO doesn't access. That's where the other supplements come in to bypass or assist the biochemical processes"
    Which other supplements are you using to eliminate histamine

    Thanks, and sorry for the long questons!


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  7. stemcell 1

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    Hello Larry,
    Thank you very much for your explanations. It would be helpful to me if we could derive real recommendations for action from them. For example, how can we determine the things you explain? Who makes the diagnosis and how?

    Do you understand what I mean?[/QUOTE]





    I think I understand.

    It's always good to learn how to learn.

    The diagnosis of Meniere's disease is not by one or two symptoms. Many diseases

    fall into the category of idiopathic because the grouping of symptom cannot be related.

    Meniere's is a group of symptoms all of which can and are looked at as separate syndromes.

    Ear ache:Otitis media. Hearing loss: sudden sensorineural hearing loss. Blurred vision or

    double vision: occipital neuraliga. Headaches: migraine or sinus headache or infection..

    Each on their own will stand the diagnostic test. Yet when appraised together they are Meniere's.

    Since you seem to like my associated stories. He is one from a lecture I gave in Toxicology

    which I feel is appropriate for this situation.

    An animal had been given a drug and it had become slightly ill. I did over 200 tests to determine the actually cause of the illness. The results were delivery to groups of pathologists, urologists, neurologists, hematologists etc. Each group selected the data they were familiar with and submitted their diagnosis. All were wrong by bias. The clue was an increase in serum urobilinogen. The drug had slowed the intestinal motility and caused all of the changes in the biological parameters.

    My point with this is that sometime a doctor does not look beyond their specialty.

    If you would like to help find the other clues. See if you can have cortisol level done.

    They need to be one in the evening and one in the morning. The can be done from saliva.

    Also a test I used to use to test for possible transplant rejection. Immunoglobulin electrophoresis with quantitation. Here we would be looking a IgE levels and ruling out

    an infectious trigger.

    I have a number of tests that I used to identify my situation. But I have a lab and

    I have control.

    But, I'll try to give you some possible isolation paths.

    Ear inner or outer? Aching and pressure. Isopropyl for swimmer's ear. Relief quickly

    = Inflammation of otter ear. Not necessarily an infection. Flaxseed oil tiny bit mixed with some distilled water applied with a q-tip. Relief, 10-15 minutes inflammation of inner ear.

    Sinus headache: 500 mg L-arginine with water.

    Vertigo: 500mg L-Arginine with 500mg Taurine. No guarantee on this, let me know.

    I use a transdermal lotion.

    Neck tightness accompanied by other symptoms. Gentle massage with something with peppermint oil.

    All this being said. Keep this in mind. As pointed out the same symptoms are present in unrelated diseases. And can co-exist with Meniere”s. Or may be a misdiagnosis of diseases like Lyme disease. The symptoms can be similar with a bit of myaliga thrown in. Doctors have a difficult time diagnosing this bacterial disease. The problem is they don't rely on symptomology, they instead, rely on a very iffy test for the body's reaction to infection.

    I know about this. I have had it 4 times and in 1975 published a methodology to detect the bacteria.

    Hope this helps.

    By the way on a health side. Look into Sorghum syrup.

    larry
     
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  8. stemcell 1

    stemcell 1 Member

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    Curious that you wake up with a spinning sensation. You are in a prone position, your head not moving much.
    The is a condition that can cause that. Slight change in cervical orientation will give the spinning effect.
    In regard to fatty acids. I am tring to translate my experience using measured amount of isolated,
    targeted fatty acids and amino acids through transdermal application into oral medication. I find
    that relying on foodstuffs is too problematic. There is the problems of sufficient mastication, availability
    for absorbtion, adsorbtion of fatty acids onto fiber and the big evil. Pesticides.
     
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  9. Rubygirl

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    Hi AndrewF. Sorry, I missed your post with the other various posts coming in (I don't seem to get notifications properly). I will message you privately and we can move this offline but for the benefit of any others reading:

    1) Yes, 2 weeks may be too short to see the full benefits. But I would expect that slowly there are some encouraging signs. You mentioned you were feeling better, then a setback (or two)... but were the attacks as severe as usual? Or was there improvement in havng a shorter duration for example?
    2) I have found that it may be something you ate recently or even two days ago. It's hard to tell sometimes. But worth looking at what you were eating in the last 48 hours.
    3) Yes, yeast can definitely trigger a histamine response.
    4) Avoiding histamine in the diet is helpful to lower levels but it's often not enough. You need to make sure you are getting all the vitamins/minerals your body needs to clear histamine out of the body efficiently. As well as other supplements that are helpful to inhibit your body from releasing histamine in the first place. There are a few; I listed them out and provided recommendations in the document. :)
     
  10. Rubygirl

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    A note to everyone who may be following this (and I will make a separate posting for anyone who is not): we are all following limited diets. Even when not following a limited diet, it is very difficult to get all the vitamins and minerals that your body needs from your diet alone. So it's even worse when you start restricting foods! As an example, iron deficiency anemia is very common and if you don't have enough iron in your body, then your blood cells can't bring critical oxygen to every other cell of your body so you are basically "suffocating" on the inside! How can you stop your dizziness when your brain is not getting enough oxygen? But for all the various other types of vitamins and minerals that you need, and they all are important and do something, please consider supplementing to cover all your bases.
     
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  11. Jennifer Vonhag

    Jennifer Vonhag New Member

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    wow I have been recently diagnosed after two major vertigo attacks as well as several bouts of dizziness. I have lost some hearing in my left ear and have loud tinnitus. I was literally fine two months ago but what was happening up to this point was I have had bad congestion and snot in my head that I have not been able to blow out . Ive tried nettie pot and steaming and saline flush and decongestants and nothing worked. I started to get muffled hearing so thats what led me to the doctors office. The ENT immediately said Menieres and Ive since had two steroid injections in my ear that had done nothing to help. I started thinking this might be a histamine overload as Ive had issues in the past with red wine and seafood combos etc. I have started JOH protocol because i had most of the supps already and I believe that virus is playing a part.. and I am super excited to read your document and explore some of the things that helped you get better. The doom that comes over me as I lay on the couch spinning is very real as like you I have an active life and this disease can hijack your day--plus I dont like how the ANtivert makes me feel drugged up and hung over-- I want a natural approach to healing. THank you for sharing and I look forward to learning something new today!
     
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