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I'm new here...can't do this anymore

Discussion in 'Your Living Room' started by Kat, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. Kat

    Kat New Member

    Aug 1, 2020
    Hi all,
    I am new here. I was hoping to find support for MD, which I was diagnosed with 2 years ago. Not needing any medical advice, just want to hear your experiences. So, I get all the classic symptoms of MD (yet nausea is not one of them?). The room spins (vertically, not horizontally). I can't distinguish an increased incidence of hearing loss or tinnitus during the episode but I certainly notice it in general. Mild right ear hearing loss.

    Anyways, this has impacted my life to such a degree I am just nearing the end of my rope. I am an ICU nurse and clearly I need to be at my best to be safe/effective. I had to leave work the other day, and have called out the last 2 days because of it. I have FMLA. I called out today because I thought I'd try the HCTZ they gave me and it tanked my pressure. I had to drink 2 liters of water to fix it. I feel like I get judgment from my coworkers, and a total lack of understanding. They don't understand that this goes on for hours at a time and is debilitating. I sense some resentment because absences mess up the staffing, and during COVID that is an issue. I need this job, I need this income.

    My mental health is in the tank. I just don't know how to do this anymore. Even seeing a therapist, it still seems like I don't have much hope. I'm having PTSD from working the COVID units, and no doubt that is exacerbating the MD. I don't know what to do. :(
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  2. IvanA

    IvanA Member

    Apr 30, 2020
    The understanding of this disease by those who do not have it is very complicated, it could even be said that there are ENTs who, when diagnosed, believe that it is no more bothersome than diagnosing a cold or the flu. Try to speak calmly and explain your illness to your coworkers, how it affects you in your day to day, how little is known, how ineffective current medications are, etc. It was very difficult for me to be understood because I limited myself to saying that I had Meniere and that I got dizzy from time to time, people believed that I had vertigo once every many months and that after a few hours I was normal again as if it were A headache. When I explained that after vertigo come weeks and even months of severe dizziness losing balance, hyperacusis, headaches, fluctuating hearing loss, etc. and that vertigo attacks can be both annual and daily, people began to understand me better.

    I know you said you don't want medical advice, but I would tell you to try:

    -Betahistina, consult the dose with your doctor, although it is rather a matter of trying until you find the one that works for you. I take 24mg every 12h, it does not take an instant effect. You need 1-2 months to notice if you do something and it doesn't take full effect until 4-6 months. I know what works best for me not only because of how much I have reduced my dizziness, its duration and strength. Also because if I stop taking betahistine after two days I start to have severe dizziness for several hours.

    -Pycnogenol: I have read many testimonies from people with meniere that after trying many things this is the one that has eased his symptoms the most.

    Good luck!
  3. Marta

    Marta Active Member

    Jan 26, 2016
    Stay strong! I know easier said than done at the moment. We all have been there and we know where you are coming from.
    If everything fails regarding your treatment ( not sure what you have tried) there is always destructive surgeries. Many have had those and they enjoy their lives.
    Just do not give up! Look for solutions. You are not alone.
  4. Kat

    Kat New Member

    Aug 1, 2020
    Thank you very much. I am trying to really lock down a low sodium diet. I can't really count the milligrams, it's too overwhelming. I'm just looking at labels and if it looks too high I don't eat it. I am just so depressed about all of this, and it's a double edged sward because stress worsens meniere's (or so I've heard). What's difficult is I'll have a cluster of them, and then I'm good for months. Then another cluster. So there's no real pattern to it. Well at least today I showered, washed a load of laundry, and put away dishes. It took everything in me to do those things, and now I need another nap. :(
  5. IvanA

    IvanA Member

    Apr 30, 2020
    Remember that you must consume a minimum of 500mg of sodium a day, a low-salt diet for meniere can consume up to 2000mg a day (better divided between meals).

    In any case, it is not proven that salt is the cause of meniere attacks, it seems to help in some cases; but in many others not. Each person must find their trigger, for many it is salt, for others it can be sugar, caffeine, alcohol, sweeteners, gluten, etc.

    You have to be patient and try to remove from your diet what you think may be the trigger. You must withdraw it one by one to know what affects you and you must wait at least three weeks to draw any conclusion on whether you have improved or not. Exceptionally, gluten can notice some improvement a month, but it takes about 4-6 months to notice the improvement if one is sensitive to gluten (Being sensitive is more difficult to detect than being intolerant because you do not instantly notice that it makes you damage when consumed).

    In any case, try betahistine and pycnogenol while trying to change things in your diet. And remember that betahistine can take more than a month to start working, be patient. If your doctor allows it, take 24mg three times a day to start, then go down to 24mg twice a day and then slowly lower the dose until you find the lowest maintenance dose. I tried last week to go down to 20mg every 12 hours, but I felt slight dizziness so definitely my maintenance dose is 24mg every 12 hours, in a month I will try 20mg again.
  6. IvanA

    IvanA Member

    Apr 30, 2020
    (use google traductor):
    La evolución favorable de la enfermedad de Ménière | Top Doctors

    Los vértigos del Síndrome de Ménière desaparecen con el tiempo | elmundo.es salud

    Very briefly it is: 7 out of 10 Meniere patients improve positively over time.

    Eating of the disease for about 2 years usually causes more attacks of vertigo although of shorter duration, afterwards the attacks usually occur more and more distanced in time, although their duration can be several hours.

    All this is statistical, it does not mean that your disease will follow this path; but in principle you have a 70% chance that the disease will gradually become more bearable.
  7. Jimii

    Jimii Member

    Apr 10, 2019
    I wouldn't want to be an ICU or ER nurse if I was healthy and you paid me a million dollars a day.
    I don't know how people like you do it. My son is an ER nurse and was a Covid ICU nurse for a few weeks during the peak. 12+ hr. shifts would kill me. Not to mention hospitals are staffed 24/7.
    Someone is doing those off shifts.

    You can't worry about your co-workers, you must take care of yourself first. Just make sure your boss is aware.
    I don't see any nurses getting fired in this pandemic. If your boss is an a-hole too, then I would suggest a new job. Nurses around here are almost dictating their own salaries.

    I am starting to develop a cycle or pattern. It is too early to tell, but May to Sept. is bad. Everything else is like I don't even have any issues. Nothing has worked for me so far. B5/B6 did nothing. Low salt did nothing. Betahistine I could not tolerate. I have not tried the JoH or antivirals yet.

    Stay strong and come here to vent all you want.

  8. twodogs

    twodogs Member

    Jul 26, 2018
    @Kat Jim is right on. You can separate things about you that can be changed and improved, but there is nothing to be done about other people. I have had this disease for decades. I keep on with my life as best I can. Yesterday I was struck down with an attack and spent just over 24 hours sleeping. Still, I feel like crap. We were supposed to go somewhere today, but like numerous other times we had to cancel. C ontinue to read and explore. I have never once found any treatment that does more than help a bit. You might find something and I hope you do.
  9. IvanA

    IvanA Member

    Apr 30, 2020
    Can you give me a list of the methods you have tried? It is just to see if you are missing any of those that I have written down to discard in case it is of interest to you of course.
  10. Kat

    Kat New Member

    Aug 1, 2020
    I have tried:
    -low salt
    -magnesium supplements (still do)
    -changed from night shift to day shift

    The low salt, for a while I half-assed it and am only now starting to take it seriously. Can't take diuretics, my blood pressure drops too low.

    I just also bought blue light filter glasses. They have a yellow tint to them. I know fluorescent lights can trigger migraines, can they also trigger a menieres flare in others?

    Thanks :)
  11. IvanA

    IvanA Member

    Apr 30, 2020
    You can try:
    2-check your tiroides and your food alergies
    3-try a gluten-free diet 3-4 months
    4-JOH or antivirals (check the database in this web)
    5-take high dosage of vitamine B (people said 100mg B5/B6, but I also read the B2,B3 and B12 deficits can produce vertigo, dizzines, acufeno, etc).
    6-Check your cervicals
    7-Check your jaw
  12. DizzyAF

    DizzyAF New Member

    Feb 14, 2020
    I'm so sorry you're going through this! I have found the vast majority of people don't understand, and I know it sucks. I struggled for 6 years with mild symptoms, and then the Menieres became so bad it systematically dismantled my life in just a few months.

    If I had to do it all over again, I would not wait as long as I did to see an ENT who has some specialty with this disease and building a rapport with them. (I saw two doctors before that, who were not concerned with quality of life.) I won't lie and say I feel amazing, because I don't, but I no longer feel like I'm dying, either. Turns out I had co-morbid hypothyroidism. I had to be fairly insistent on the matter, and I think that's important. They did not take me seriously until I told them I couldn't walk, drive, or take care of myself.

    As for immediate things you could try: meclizine (Dramamine non-drowsy), limiting caffeine intake, and start keeping a journal to narrow down and find your triggers, if any. During an attack, I find deep breathing helps keep me calm. Good luck!
  13. eveva

    eveva New Member

    Jul 30, 2020
    I can't take diuretics by the same reason-BP goes too low. My sensitivity to fluorescent lights and a specially to a change of light intensity (from sun light to indoor space) is related to Menieres. Do you new glasses help? I hate to stay in my room with closed shutters on sunny day. But looks like I need to block UV light.
  14. Marta

    Marta Active Member

    Jan 26, 2016
    It sounds like MAV ( Migraine Associated Vertigo)
  15. Marta

    Marta Active Member

    Jan 26, 2016
    Here is a post by Vicki I found on the forum. Very informative and worth reading.

    Migraine Associated Vertigo (MAV) – Misdiagnosed as Meniere's
    Hi All,

    Terry (Burd) and I have been shooting some PMs back and forth and thought the forum needed a resource to outline how to identify, "survive" and handle chronic migrainous vertigo, otherwise known as vestibular migraine or migraine associated vertigo (MAV). We both agree that there are likely a large number of people on this forum or those just arriving that more often than not have MAV and not Meniere's disease (MM), and others that clearly do have MM and have migraine complicating matters further.

    Migraine is NOT just a bad headache but “a global disturbance of sensory signal processing“. In other words, sensory information – sensations – are distorted and/or intensified. Moreover, some people have migraines that NEVER involve headaches and present as only non-pain symptoms. If we examine the statistics, migraine affects approximately 12% of the population (16% in women and 8% in men) while MM affects about 0.2% (or about 2 in every 1,000 people). MM is therefore a relatively rare condition. When you consider that the second most common symptom of migraine after headache is dizziness, it stands to reason that migraine should seriously be considered in cases of chronic or sporadic unexplained dizziness and vertigo, especially where there is no unilateral (one-sided) progressive hearing loss in the lower ranges.

    As most of you who have searched for answers will know, there is a huge amount of misinformation and myth about migraine on the internet, from regular doctors, and even some specialists. Worse still, some end up going from doctor to doctor for years never knowing that migraine is the root cause of their dizziness or that it is greatly exacerbating their Meniere's Disease.

    There is currently no cure for migraine, which is a genetic disorder, and so there is a huge range of medications and treatments (sometimes expensive, misleading and completely ineffective) on the market to choose from. Knowing where to begin in tackling this can seem like climbing a mountain at first glance. Who do you believe and what drug or treatment do you try? The great news is that we do know through evidence-based medicine supported by people's personal experiences, that there are some very good ways to manage this condition that work. In almost all cases, a person with migraine can rein it in and lead a normal life once they know what they're dealing with and how to handle it. It took both Terry and I about 3 years to finally work out that migraine was the root problem we were dealing with. We know the frustration, fear, and suffering that it brings in not knowing what is going on and feel very strongly about making this information available to other people in hopes that they will avoid the long and winding road in understanding what has happened. In short, we hope this will be a "MAV Survival Guide" that people can use to navigate their way out of the migraine abyss.


    A person with MAV may present in several ways. Someone who has migraine with aura (visual symptoms, numbness or tingling, motor dysfunction) will typically report distinct vertigo attacks, usually lasting minutes to hours associated with nausea that can occur before, during, or after the onset of dizziness. They describe feeling very tired and are very sensitive to light (photophobia). Sensitivity to sound, tinnitus and some hearing impairment may occur. This hearing problem can suggest MM but in the case of MAV it typically occurs bilaterally (in both ears). Tinnitus is often high-pitched or a roaring within the head whereas in classic MM, it is usually low-pitched and in one ear only. Towards the end of these symptoms, the patient will likely develop a headache or a feeling of pressure in the head. After sleeping several hours, they awaken symptom free. This form of attack is difficult to distinguish from MM; indeed, large studies have shown that 25% to 35% of migraineurs experience episodes of dizziness or vertigo, many of which are indistinguishable from Meniere’s attacks.

    A more common type of MAV and difficult to diagnose is when there are less distinct episodes of vertigo or there is no headache at all. Approximately 50% of vertigo attacks related to migraine occur in headache-free periods. Furthermore, migraine dizziness is often felt as chronic dysequilibrium (the feeling you have walking down the street after too many glasses of wine), lightheadedness, a swimming drunk feeling, floating, or a feeling of being disconnected from the world (also called derealisation). Often a “brain fog” descends and thought processes become more difficult and slower. It may become harder to concentrate and absorb information or follow a conversation. Short term memory may suffer as you struggle to remember words or a person’s name. Feelings of dizziness and vertigo can worsen when you change your posture; however, it differs markedly from BPPV. Nystagmus (eyes pulsing in a particular direction) may also be present with a postural change with MAV.


    People with MAV will often note attacks that are set off by visual stimulation (visual vertigo) or motion. They have difficulties in stores with long aisles and hate fluorescent, flickering or bright lights. Stripes and bold shimmering patterns can also be problematic. For some people, walking outside on a bright sunny day will cause dizziness and a feeling of surrealism requiring dark sunglasses or special contact lenses to stop the effect. Watching a train pass, watching your fingers typing on a keyboard, scrolling movie credits or watching a video game on a computer may provoke dizziness. Even crowds can be a problem. Some are temperature sensitive such that a shower or a cold wind on the head may precipitate a headache or dizziness. Repetitive tasks such as long hours on a computer, or even gardening may set off a person with MAV. Around 50% of migraineurs have a history of feeling car sick, became easily sea-sick, or they avoided amusement park rides as children. These problems often lessened or went away when they became an adult but reappeared with the onset of MAV.

    Other triggers include hormonal changes, stress, inconsistent sleep routine (too much, too little, or interrupted), weather changes, certain smells, loud repetitive noises, exercise and travel. Fragrances and certain smells that can trigger attacks include: perfumes, scented personal care items, laundry detergent smells, scented cleaners, out gassing of new materials (plastics, building materials, car interiors) and smoke of any kind. For those with allergies, dust, dust mite, animal dander or mould may also be a trigger. Attacks tend to cluster around holidays due to the stress (both good and bad stress) of new activities, travel itself (jet lag and sitting in a pressurised jet cabin) and dietary changes -- most notably from foods like red wine, chocolate, aged cheeses, and smoked meats. Attacks often occur after periods of intense stress (letdown migraine) such as moving house, starting a new job, relationship break down or from dealing with the hospitalisation of a family member. Extended travel by car, especially as a passenger – or for some as the driver – is very stimulating and can be more problematic than flying in a jet. Boat trips and cruises or just playing in waves at the beach can also set off attacks. A migraineur’s list of triggers may be quite long. Some of them, such as lack of sleep, may always lead to a migraine for you while for others, it may take a combination of several triggers to make you feel ill.

    Patients with MAV will typically show depressed mood, heightened anxiety, or mood instability. Many of these people will have seen a psychiatrist, psychologist, or therapist and will often describe themselves as having an "anxious" personality. Some may have a history of depression and/or panic disorder. It's not uncommon for a patient to be told by a doctor, "you're just anxious" on examination and that their dizziness is due solely to anxiety.

    Finally, it can often be found that the first attack is the most severe and of greater intensity and duration than those that follow. Sometimes the initial attack is consistent with vestibular neuritis (VN) followed by a long compensation period. Under normal circumstances an acute attack of VN will last anywhere from 2 days to 6 weeks followed by a period of chronic compensation. Vestibular rehabilitation therapy (VRT) may be necessary and the patient will usually recover completely. In a susceptible migraineur, however, an attack of VN or other viral illnesses such as Bell’s Palsy can be the “Big Bang” that initiates the chronic migrainous vertigo state with no end in sight. The patient may think they are still suffering from VN long after it has resolved, but it is migraine that perpetuates their dizziness and keeps them feeling ill. MAV patients are also highly susceptible to BPPV (loose ear crystals moving around in the inner ear canals) occurring at a rate three times greater than any other idiopathic (unknown) cause. A BPPV attack may either provoke the onset of chronic migrainous vertigo or occur sometime after the first migraine episode.

    Chronic Migraine

    It is important to note that many do not realise that migraine can be a chronic condition – that is, there are symptoms that come and go on a continuous basis throughout the weeks and months with a constant background of low-level vestibular and other neurological symptoms. Sometimes they spike and you will have horrendous symptoms for days or weeks and other times you may be much more dizzy than usual for days and then have it tone down again – “back to baseline” as we say. Others are constantly dizzy and feel a persistent rocking sensation or a feeling as though the room is always tilting. The ground may feel like sponge and a person will feel as though they are “bouncing” as they walk. Other common chronic symptoms include neck and shoulder pain, back pain, sinus and face pain, chronic fatigue and symptoms that are misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia. Some experience the headaches of migraine as "tension-type" headaches (TTH) as defined by the IHS. According to some neurologists, TTH should never cause debilitating pain or light sensitivity and those that do are in fact experiencing migraine. Others will feel flu-like symptoms for days but it is not the flu. Chronic migraine also typically causes sleep disruption with such a person waking many times during the night. They may wake feeling unrested, anxious, and run down.


    The good news is that migraine can be reined in and a high percentage of people can stop the symptoms and resume a normal life. So what do you do if these horrible symptoms have descended into your life? Identifying and avoiding triggers is probably the single most powerful thing you can do to alleviate the symptoms of migraine and is half the battle. Remember, a "migraine brain" is super high maintenance and hypersensitive – like a diva or a thoroughbred race horse. It wants everything to stay the same and wants to be treated like royalty. Throw anything new at it or upset the balance with a trigger and it can/will react angrily and a migraineur will pay the price. In this order, and according to scientific evidence and from those who have gained control of this illness, these are the steps you should follow:

    A. Lifestyle Modifications

    The migraine lifestyle and diet includes three parts. By following these steps, around 40% of migraineurs achieve excellent results and symptoms resolve.

    (1) Regular schedule – every day should look like every other day. You should eat regular healthy meals and never skip one. Make sure you keep a regular sleeping pattern EVERY day, going to bed at the exact same time every night and allowing for about 8–9 hours of sleep. You should get regular daily exercise even if it’s just a walk to the end of the block and back again. Ideally you should aim for 30 minutes of aerobic exercise. Because more vigorous or intense exercise can itself be a trigger, you may need to start off very slowly increasing it incrementally over time until it is a daily activity and does not trigger attacks. Drink about 2–3 litres (about 8–12 cups) of water daily if you can; a migraine brain must stay well-hydrated.

    (2) General medical “tune-up” – migraine symptoms are more likely to flare if there are other medical/physiological stresses on your system. Migraineurs should work with their other medical professionals if necessary to get control of other health problems such as allergies, food intolerance, thyroid, blood pressure, blood glucose, and hormone problems, or any other obvious vitamin/ mineral deficiencies. Colds, the flu, and other viral infections are notorious for triggering nasty attacks and so good personal hygiene is key to reducing risk of infection (e.g. wash your hands often and avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth during flu season).

    (3) A migraine diet – there are many foods that are potential migraine triggers. The simple way to remember a migraine diet is to eat ONLY fresh foods. When in the supermarket it usually means not buying anything in the aisles but shopping around the perimeter. You can eat fruits (though citrus and bananas might be a trigger for some), vegetables or meats. Stick to unprocessed low glycemic index carbohydrates. It's best to cook your own food and prepare all foods fresh when you want them. If you do this, you are on the migraine diet. The list of “Thou Shalt Nots” is long and not great. Here is a sample of the MAIN triggers:

    • nothing aged, cured, pickled, or fermented (cheese, beer, wine, alcohol, vinegar, soy sauce, yoghurt, sour cream)
    • no caffeine (coffee, tea, chocolate, colas)
    • no artificial sweeteners/sugar substitutes (especially aspartame)
    • no nitrates (deli meats – proscutto, pepperoni, salami, etc)
    • no sulfates (red wine, dried fruits – raisins, apricots, etc)
    • no nuts
    • no MSG (monosodium glutamate – take-out Chinese food, and virtually every packaged food in the grocery store – usually listed
    as “natural flavour additives,” not MSG, in the ingredients label). In Australia, MSG is labelled as number 621 on the ingredients
    list. For more information on MSG labelling, see this document:

    In order to determine if migraine is the problem, a person must be willing and determined to make a concerted effort to identify triggers. Note that triggers do not cause migraine, but ignite it, like putting a match to dry kindling and so identifying them is critical. For example, keeping a diary of daily symptoms and recording all possible triggers for a period of time (2–3 months) is a great way to find patterns and isolate them. Others may need to use an elimination diet to isolate food triggers. Whatever the method, some may only do so half-heartedly with no definitive results to work with and will thus rule out migraine prematurely. Accurate and useful results require putting in some time and effort.


    Dr Nicholas Silver in the UK is the neurologist migraineurs see when they have failed to gain migraine control under the supervision of previous neurologists. He is extremely systematic and methodical in helping people gain control. He says the main reasons that people fail – even when they are on a migraine preventive drug – is because patients are still using caffeine in some form (coffee, tea, green tea, chocolate, colas) or they are using painkillers. Some nasal decongestants can act similarly to perpetuate the condition. A chronic migraineur should NEVER use any painkillers – not ibuprofen, paracetamol, Tylenol, or aspirin and definitely not the more heavy-duty ones such as the opiates unless it is an emergency but no more than four times per year. Even one cup of caffeinated tea per week can be enough to perpetuate chronic migraine, so NO CAFFEINE. If you're using painkillers now, the best way to get off is to go “cold turkey”. Headaches may get worse over the first 2 weeks and should then ease off. Use other methods to work with headaches such as cold packs etc.

    If the migraine lifestyle above is followed and you can pinpoint your triggers and develop a firm foundation and stick with it, then 40% will see their symptoms resolve and you may only deal with the odd flare-up here and there. For the other 60%, a preventative migraine medication is needed.

    B. Migraine medications and evidence-based treatments

    There are currently several FDA (or equivalent)-approved evidence-based medications and nearly 100 off-label medications commonly used for migraine prevention. Abortive medications (e.g. triptans) are not known to be of much use to someone who suffers with MAV and may actually perpetuate the problem and so a preventative medication is used. According to Drs Nicholas Silver (who prefers medications that encourage a proper sleep cycle) and Steve Rauch, migraine medications should be started at very low doses and increased slowly over weeks or months until the headache and dizziness goes or the recommended tolerated dose is reached. One should not be put off by the label “antidepressant” or “anticonvulsant”. The dose required may be far below what someone with clinical depression or epilepsy would need. Once stable, you remain on the medication for one year and then it may be possible to come off the drug over another 4-month reduction period at which point a migraineur can remain in remission without medication but still following a migraine lifestyle. Others may need to stay on their preventive for many years or for life. Note that migraine medications are NOT a substitute for the above lifestyle modifications but are a supplement to them. When you find an effective preventive medication, however, you will likely be much less vulnerable or susceptible to triggers, including dietary triggers.

    Some of the more common classes of medications and treatments are as follows:

    • Beta blockers – propranolol, atenolol, metoprolol
    • Calcium channel blockers – Verapamil, Flunarizine
    • Tricyclic antidepressants – amitriptyline, nortriptyline (Rauch's favourite), Prothiaden (Halmagyi and Silver's favourite)
    • SSRI/ SNRIs – citalopram (Baloh's favourite), Effexor (Hain's favourite), paroxetine, Zoloft, Cymbalta
    • Benzodiazepines – most find these very effective, particularly low doses of valium which has both anti-anxiety and
    anticonvulsant properties. Dr Timothy Hain recommends low-dose clonazepam which avoids dependence.
    • Anticonvulsants – Topamax, Neurontin, Lyrica, Depakote
    • Natural remedies – magnesium, vitamin B2 (riboflavin), Coenzyme Q10 (These three natural remedies for migraine headache all
    have shown promising results as effective natural headache remedies in controlled trials)
    • Physiotherapy/ neck massage – stiff and knotted neck muscles can act as a migraine trigger (Note: paradoxically, neck massage
    or body massage can also trigger an attack)

    C. Alternative and other treatments

    Note that these treatments have very little or no evidence for efficacy beyond personal anecdotes and/or a possible placebo effect. However, they may give some temporary relief or even long-lasting relief.

    • Acupuncture
    • Chiropractic (beware of the dangers involved with neck adjustments)
    • Craniosacral therapy
    • Meditation and other relaxation techniques
    • Biofeedback
    • Trigger point therapy
    • Low carbohydrate diet (not to be confused with a low glycemic index diet)

    Recommended reading materials:

    “The Migraine Brain” by Dr Carolyn Bernstein
    “Heal Your Headache” by Dr David Buccholtz
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  16. Gina Manchego

    Gina Manchego New Member

    Jul 1, 2020
    Have you tried a nerve block yet? I can’t do any of the conventional diuretic treatment either. I’ve done 3 nerve blocks so far and it makes the spinning, nystagmus and headaches diminish for days at a time so you can get some respite. Get a good neurologist and talk to him about an occipital nerve block. The side effects are fairly mild. Keep your head up ❤️
  17. Gardengal

    Gardengal Member

    May 12, 2015
    Try antivirals. There are no/few side effects and they have really helped many. You can have your GP write the script. Look up Dr. Gacek on the search tab here. There is lots of reading to do. The Gaeck paper has medicine info, doses, etc. Try JOH. Some believe MM to be a viral cause. It’s an easy first step. Many people don’t see a lot of change/help going the low sodium route. Read John of Ohio posts. He is very knowledgeable. There was an old poster, Scott Tom on here. Look up his posts, he had lots of success with antivirals. Good luck. Keeping searching, keep pushing for your health. You will find what works for you. Do not give up!
  18. Autumninthefall

    Autumninthefall Member

    Aug 10, 2019
    Good idea, but antivirals/supplements may have side-effects, and they take getting used to at the very least. She's already had a bad reaction to diuretcs. For an ICU nurse working in the middle of COVID-19, and PPE shortages, she won't be treated well if she puts on PPE only to have, say, a gastrointestinal emergency five minutes later, and need to discard barely used PPE. She probably shouldn't risk it just now, as she already feels like she's being judged. Nurses ARE held to a ridiculous standard. They're expected to be workhorses, and if they don't feel up to it, for whatever reason, they're often subjected to what I'll call, "break room bullying". You know, the kind where a nurse walks into a noisy break room that goes silent when she enters, though people still smile to her face? Or supervisors become passive-aggressive.

    **I would add you should get your thyroid levels checked, especially since you've been a nightshift ICU nurse(cortisol levels cause other hormones to go haywire)

    **take five minutes for yourself everyday. No matter who you are, or what you do, you can have five minutes of, "you," time to unwind. If you don't do at least that, you WILL burn out.

    Good luck, Kat.
  19. John of Ohio

    John of Ohio Member

    May 17, 2014
    Curious, of the over 250 personal reports from people using my regimen, I don't have a single report of "side-effects" of any extent. What's this "they take getting used" contention? Evidence for such, in regard to the "supplements" in my regimen? If the instructions are followed, whatever minor "side effects" might occur are obviated by re-dosing at lower levels. A worthy effort if relief can be attained; which appears to happen in about 85% of regimen users with Meniere's.

    --John of Ohio

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