Is it possible to have drop attacks and not actually fall?

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  1. MargaretYakoda

    MargaretYakoda Member

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    Hello, this is my first post to this forum.

    Background: I haven't been officially diagnosed with Meniere's. But I strongly suspect that's what I have.

    Symptoms: Constant loud, low tone, tinnitus. A couple big attacks of vertigo, and frequent lightheadedness/dizzyness. My balance sucks, and I am using a cane these days (which helps a LOT) I'm totally unable to manage getting on or off an escalator, and haven't been able to do so in years. My ears are constantly popping or full. I've had one episode of hyperacusis that lasted a little over a week. But the most troubling symptom I have is that I will suddenly feel as if I'm falling.

    But here's the thing: I scream and startle and stick my arms out to balance myself. But I don't actually fall down. This has been going on for five and a half years.
    Looking back on it, I think my balance has slowly been deteriorating for years, but didn't get seriously out of whack until about three years ago.

    When I first told my GP about the feeling of suddenly falling, she didn't think anything of it. A couple years after that I mentioned the tinnitus, since it had been getting worse, and she noticed the hydrops and suggested maybe I had meniere's. She sent me to an ENT, who didn't think it was Meniere's, but didn't know what it was. I suspect he thought I was malingering. But he did send me in for an MRI and a hearing test.

    Well, the MRI turned up a small-ish meningioma. But it's nowhere near my ears, or any nerves that would affect my hearing or balance. And it's been stable for a year and a half now. So it's unlikely to be the cause of my balance issues.

    The hearing test was done twice, and neither time was when my ears were particularly acting up. The most recent one was over a year ago, and didn't show much change from the first one. I did have some hearing loss, but mostly toward the higher end. Years of being a rock band roadie was the culprit there, I'm sure.

    In late December I had a sleep study done, and that uncovered "very severe" sleep apnea. I got a CPAP, and that's helping immensely in other ways. I hoped it would clear up my balance issues, but it hasn't. I still get that scary-falling-down feeling at least a couple of times a week. But I never actually fall. So that symptom is always discounted by the doctors.

    Now, here's something really interesting ... When I was a kid someone gave our family a beat-up old unicycle. And I loved that thing! I rode it daily until I could save up enough for a new one. And that shiny, new, red unicycle was the first big purchase I ever made.

    I rode it for hours every day. In high school I hated gym. So I made a deal with my gym teacher that I could ride around the gym while the rest of the class played whatever boring game it was they were playing. I also rode it in the hallways between classes and during any free time I had. My vice principal told me he didn't want to ever see me riding it, because there might be an issue with insurance. So we had a deal where I could ride it, but I had to dismount if I saw him.

    I could - and did - dismount and start walking the unicycle in one very smooth, swift, move. I never fell off it. So, my baseline balance had been extremely good As a young adult, I had two incidents riding my bicycle that should have left me with some serious road-rash, but in each case I found myself on my feet and my bicycle a couple yards away. In one case, under the back end of a car. Because of the unicycle riding, my ability to right myself when falling was phenomenal.

    Now, what I'm thinking, is that what I'm experiencing really is drop attacks, but I'm not dropping because of my previous unicycling ability.

    Thoughts? Is this even possible with meniere's?

    For what it's worth, I can no longer ride the unicycle, or a bicycle. However, I do have an adult tricycle that I'm going to start riding in the spring.
     
  2. June-

    June- Well-Known Member

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    I dont think your previous balance skills could over ride a drop attack. I dont know whether what you qre experiencing could be an 'early' form of drop attack or not. Have you seen a neurotologist? That is an inner ear specialist. You seem to have a lot going on that should be further investigated.
    Good luck.
     
  3. redwing1951

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    If you were having drop attacks you would not be questioning if it is a drop attack or not. Trust me there is nothing like a drop attack and you will know for sure when you have one.
     
  4. feelinggoodnow

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    I had three drop attacks before finally getting surgery - my opinon is there is no way to stop from falling during a drop attack.
     
  5. jaypr

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    I think that like most things there are degrees of severity. I think that a true drop attack is being hit by a piece of wood, a true drop attack you just don't see it coming and you wonder how on earth you got to be on the floor and probably badly injured.

    However lesser attacks are still very dangerous as they can also happen anywhere, even behind the wheel of a car which of course could be disastrous
     
  6. MargaretYakoda

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    Update of sorts.

    Not very long after I posted this my husband had a heart attack. He's already got a mid-range (and progressive) dementia, so that threw my world into chaos. He had bypass surgery, and has been recovering very well. But the STRESS! OMG! So, of course, my symptoms got worse.

    Last week I had some pretty bad days. Lots of dizziness, and non-stop nausea. No vomiting, but always thinking it was a real possibility. So I called my GP and asked for some anti nausea meds. She prescribed them, and then asked me to come in and discuss symptoms.

    Turns out the ENT had written the Meniere's DX in my chart. He had told me to my face that he didn't think it was Meniere's before he sent me to the MRI. But at some point he wrote it in my chart and no one noticed because of all the fuss over discovering the menengioma. I was turned over to a neuro surgeon at that point. And when the menengioma turned out to be no big deal (after a couple of MRIs) I didn't have a follow up with the ENT. And, what with my husband's dementia, some other family drama, and life in general, I avoided MORE Dr visits for myself (We already see Dr's all the bleeping time for my husband's illnesses.)

    The GP put me on hydrochlorothiazide, and I'll be starting PT in June.

    So, anyhow, I think what I'm experiencing is related in some way to drop attacks. Maybe they're not drop attacks, specifically, but... except for the fact that I don't actually hit the deck, my experience of them correlates pretty tightly to the experiences others have written about.

    There wouldn't by any chance be another former unicyclist somewhere who could chime in on this? :D
     
  7. RoKo

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    Hi Margaret
    You are really having a time of it. Any drop attacks that I suffered came totally unexpected and with no warning. I had no sensation of falling until I hit the ground or the stairs. Whether you have Meniere's or not you need to be checked out. Good luck to you and your Husband.
    BE HAPPY
    RoKo
     
  8. nicmger

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    Margaret, the days that you are constantly dizzy (off balance but not full room spinning around) and upset stomach resulting, try Meclizine. It is available over the counter, some stores even generic. I had a month period a year ago and had forgotten about meclizine until after I suffered for over 3 wks. But once I remembered it was almost immediate relief. Some people will feel very sleepy on it, not me but wanted to share that.

    Have you asked your doctor about anti-virals?

    Good luck. And wishes for a speedy recovery for your husband.
     
  9. BumbleBea

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    Margaret,

    Geez girl, you're really going through a rough time. I hope you husband recovers quickly and his ongoing care and recovery will go smoothly.

    You're like me. Everyone gets taken care of first, when the truth is if you're the core of the family you NEED to put YOU first sometimes.
    Get to the Dr and see what they will do for you.
    I agree that a shot at antivirals would be a good idea as after trying many non-invasive treatments, the antiviral is what finally helped. It does take a few months for real results.

    I do not think you're having drop attacks of any kind. As others have said, it hits out of nowhere and you find yourself on the ground thinking, what the hell, how did I get here.

    Meclizine might help in the interim. It helped me for awhile, but made me very tired. After awhile it didn't help at all. That's when I explored other options.

    Good Luck to you, your husband, and your family.
    Keep us posted!

    ((((( hugs ))))))
     
  10. MikeB

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    Hi Margaret,

    From the way you describe it, those are what I call "Ferris Wheel"
    spins.

    Anyone that's ever ridden a Ferris Wheel knows that when you reach
    the very top and first begin the downward decent there's a few seconds
    when the bucket you're in tilts back, you're looking out into oblivion and
    feel as if there's nothing under you. Scared the poop out of me even
    as a young kid.

    A drop attack feels more like an invisible 800 lb. gorilla has suddenly picked
    you up and body slammed you. No warning...just "BOOM!", and yer on the floor.

    What you are experiencing is pretty common (for me) and I get a couple
    events like that a week. I just take a few breaths, get my wits back about
    me and move on with the day.

    Hope your husband gets better and back on his feet soon!
     
  11. redwing1951

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    MikeB you are so right. I like the 800 lb analogy! I describe a drop attack as someone coming up on you from behind and hitting you in the back of the head with a baseball bat. Wham on the ground!!
     
  12. nicmger

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    I agree with this! Fortunately the three times I was "hit" I was sitting down or near my chair. First time I started to stand up, L desk had one hand on each piece as I started to get up and turn and WHAM I went down. Fortunately I simply went down into my chair. Second I was sitting in my chair typing and WHAM I was hit forward, I automatically yelled "oh shit" and then it stabilized. Last time was Halloween'ish time period 2013 and I was sitting at our conf table for office potluck and WHAM I went totally sideways, ended up almost on top of my VP. I knew nothing until I was sideways. Then the room spun, I took my med and got driven home. The End. LOL

    But in each instance there was no warning, no prep and for sure no stopping. It was physical!
     
  13. MargaretYakoda

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    Another update!

    Just got back from a new ENT. And guess what? I didn't even know this when I made the appointment. HE RIDES A UNICYCLE! I kid you not..... Anyhow. He agreed with me. What I'm experiencing ARE drop attacks.
    But... in the time between my last update and this one, I started PT. AND then I fell hard enough on my cane that I tore my rotator cuff. So I'm doing PT for that, as well as the vestibular stuff.

    The new ENT says 90% sure it's Meniere's. I'm still not showing any low-end hearing loss. But, not everyone looses their hearing. All other symptoms fit exactly, so we're going to stick with calling it Meniere's. And yes. If your balance is extremely good before symptoms begin, it is possible to have drop attacks and not hit the floor. Note: Pre-Meniere's balance must be unicycle expert good before this can be true. But, it IS true.
     
  14. MargaretYakoda

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    OH! I forgot to add, my PT wanted me to start using a walker. We have one hanging around that my husband used while he was recovering from his heart surgery. But I just didn't want to use it... So. ... I got myself some Leki carbon fiber trekking poles.

    LOVE them. Love LOVE LOVVVVE THEM!!! :D
     
  15. MargaretYakoda

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    It's been a long time since I've updated.

    Symptoms have been very stable since I've been using tincture of cannabis.

    One thing that is new is that I now have a very VERY slight hearing loss at the low end. And I am also loosing high end hearing, but not so much in the mid range. I've been fitted with some basic hearing aids, and they do seem to help.

    The low end hearing loss is a 20DB drop at 250 HZ from normal three years ago to 35 DB now. Yeah... It's not much. Lucky me. But I'm thinking it might point more towards Menieres than not.
     
  16. BayMama

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    I just came here to post about some experiences that may or may not be drop attacks and saw your thread. You sure had a rough time of it there. I'm glad you are doing better.

    When you say your symptoms are stable while using tincture of cannabis do you mean they are getting worse or are they actually better? Are you still having the drop attack-ish things?

    What happens for me, very infrequently, is similar to what you describe. I feel like my whole world is severely tilted. I usually scream and grab something to hold on. Yesterday it happened in front of the stove while I was cooking, which was scary, but I was pleased that my instinct had me lean to the side and grab the counter. It is awful while it happen but goes away after a couple seconds, usually leaving me feeling nauseous and a little headachy.

    The interesting thing is that I am most definitely not a unicycle rider. I think of my balance as decent, but not outstanding. Though I am able to balance on a balance beam in the park despite my MM.
     
  17. LifeandOtherTragedies

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    Drop attacks are not so slow. Its like one minute everything is golden and the next it feels like you got thrown into a washing machine and then you are suddenly on the floor. I almost feel like my head is getting pushed around. Its very intense and very very quick, there is really no time to react. Its like fainting but in circles. You will definitely know when they happen.
     
  18. BayMama

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    I'm not sure if LifeandOtherTragedies is responding to me. Probably. What I am talking about is very sudden. Same thing--one second I'm fine and then out of the blue it's like someone took the whole world and turned it sideways. When I say I was pleased about my instinct to grab away from the stove, it truly was instinct. No conscious thought involved. No time for that. If those aren't drop attacks, what could they be?
     
  19. LifeandOtherTragedies

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    Sorry, I misread. Those sound like drop attacks. I read this discussion wrong. I'm sorry. I should have paid better attention!
     
  20. BayMama

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    No problem. Thanks for clarifying.
     

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