Unfortunately, the original lemon bioflavonoid product in my regimen is no longer available in the US. Not sure if it's available elsewhere. But the regimen works very well without it, as dozens of recent regimen users have discovered. --John of Ohio
If it helps at all this is the one I used for years. Ones with actual lemon in them are hard to find sometimes. Amazon.com: Nature's Life Lemon Bioflavonoids 1000 | Flavonoid Antioxidant Complex with Hesperidin and Rutin | 100 Tabs : Health & Household
Sorry. I don't understand. The regimen works without the bioflavonoids at all; or just plain lemon bioflavonoids?
The regimen works because of the lysine, which stops the replication of the herpes virus that causes the inflammation that cause the symptoms of Meniere's. Lemon bioflavonoids help dilate the capillaries in the inner ear, which facilitates blood circulation that can help carry off excess fluids in the inner ear, which can reduce the feeling of fullness. Without the lemon bioflavonoids, this just takes a bit longer. --John of Ohio
The Lindberg Lemon Bioflavonoids are manufactured in Southern California, and should still be available in the US. Here is a link to their own web site and page.
Regarding Vinpocetine, I'm trying to get it ingested earlier in the day because of sleep. Can I do 20mg at breakfast and 10mg after lunch and still have benefits? The last bottle I bought was a 30mg capsule, but I re-read the latest regiment doc (Jan 2023) and it looks like the recommendation is to spread it out.
Give that divided dosing a try. Time between breakfast and lunch is relatively short. It should work. --John of Ohio
I've got questions about the timing of taking the lysine So you say try to take the lysine on an empty stomach? Why is that? Isn't the whole point just to shift the ratio of lysine versus other amino acids in the body? I mean surely as an amino acid it won't work quite like a medicine where you eat it and it simply raises in your bloodstream. The body would always treat any amino acid as food, no? And just do with it what it would do with any protein
Another lysine question - JOH, the one you cited, from The Vitamin Shoppe, costs $15 per 100-bottle. On Amazon I saw a similar bottle for $35, but from another company I would think that the price-floor for something that's pseudopharmaceutical would be closer to the $35, if you want the actual real product. How do we know if the other supplements are what they say they are? Haven't there been numerous busts in the news over the years where they found half these supplements didn't have ANY of what they claimed? I would think something like an isolated amino acid would be expensive to produce, and could never be so cheap UPDATE: I was researching (I've been researching constantly since, you know, I might have this life-shattering disease), and found thus VITA FLEX PURE LYSINE AMINO ACID SUPPLEMENT FOR HORSES So I may have answered my own question here. Farmers I would think would be riskier to piss off since their operations are monetized and a write off for their business, hence likely way more litigious. So seeing this listing is definitely reassuring Still, would like to here JOH's thoughts and reassurances
Lysine is an amino acid, not a protein. Here's the reason to take it alone, without food, to treat Meniere's. There are enzymes, proteins, required for herpes viruses to replicate, reproduce. Without those enzymes in human cells, herpes viruses are inactive, don't replicate. Arginine, an amino acid, found in a lot of foods with protein, is an amino acid required to make herpes virus replicating enzymes. That's why eating foods with lots of arginine can induce Meniere's attacks. The arginine caused the production of enzymes that produced new herpes viruses. But lysine, when available, can substitute for arginine. When lysine gets inserted in herpes virus replication enzymes, they no longer work; can't produce any new herpes viruses. So, if both lysine and arginine is available, from food, the arginine gets incorporated in the new enzymes. But when there is only lysine available, it gets incorporated, substituting for the preferred arginine. But, with lysine in the molecule, the enzyme can no longer function. So, you can't have any arginine floating around when you take your lysine to stop the herpes virus replication in your inner ear. Take the lysine without food and it will work. If taken with food, almost all of which has some arginine, the lysine won't be taken up to disable the enzyme. --John of Ohio
John, You posted some sites we could visit pertaining to antiviral studies in Japan and in the US and the effect on MM. I cannot get either of these site links to open and would love to have this information for my next appointment. Can you please repost them? Thanks
Here are links with useful papers showing viral etiology of Meniere's: This is Dr. Gacek’s study showing a viral etiology: A Perspective on Recurrent Vertigo A Perspective on Recurrent Vertigo Recovery of Hearing in Meniere’s Disease after Antiviral Treatment Author links open overlay panelRichard R. Gacek MD https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0196070914000726 Effectiveness of Acyclovir on Meniere's Syndrome III Observation of Clinical Symptoms in 301 Cases Mitsuo SHICHINOHE, M D„ Ph. D. https://eurekamag.com/research/010/540/010540476.php --John of Ohio
John of Ohio, you said there's like 147 pages of research you've seen from all over the world on the antiviral issue. I'd love to see that. Just recently on the Meniere's Facebook group some people were poo-pooing the idea. Fo you have links, or could you host it on your website?
I looked through the dozens of links and references I have related to viruses as causes of Meniere's symptoms. I'm certain that when I made that big claim, that somewhere there were over a hundred pages on the topic, but presently I don't personally have a record of this. I believe my claim related to papers in Japanese medical reports, for which I saw listed somewhere; but didn't copy. Japanese physicians, at least some, don't seem cemented to the notion that the cause of Meniere's disease is inherently idiopathic, unknowable and undiscoverable; in contrast to most American physicians. Of course, attacking the disease with lysine, as described in my regimen, requires no prescription for a drug. Lysine suppresses herpes viruses, when properly administered, as described in my regimen. -- John of Ohio
I do take each day both vitamin d-3 (8000IU) and vitamin k-2. But I began these, at these levels, long after my tinnitus was gone. --John of Ohio
Yes, it is almost gone. Before discovering JOH, my Tinnitus ranged from volume 4-6 out of 10, and now it's a 1-2 out of 10. There are days now where I actually dont think about the Tinnitus at all, that's how quiet it is. How has your experience been?
