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Just give me a figure. Chances of Antivirals working.

Discussion in 'Your Living Room' started by Pupper, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. mbgphoto79

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    In NC valacyclovir is $480 for a 30 day supply of max dose. Sorry man. I find this personally I little mauling, since Acyclovir has been on the market since 1995 and there are multiple manufacturers. Know anyone in Canada?
     
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    *insulting*. Although mauling I think works equally well.
     
  3. Pupper

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    That's unspeakably cruel. What kind of a world is this? Yes, I get certain drugs from Canada. Thanks for reminding me.

    You can't be mauled a little.
     
  4. mbgphoto79

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    He suffered a mild mauling.
    He's been diagnosed with the mauling.
    You should get your mauling looked at.
     
  5. Irish lady

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    I had a tough case of menieres diagnosed 8 years ago; violent vertigo attacks lasting hours, days of constant dizziness, loss of balance, constant roaring tinnitus and clinically deaf in one ear. I tried serc, stemitil, steroids, diuretics, low salt diet, nothing helped, just got worse over the course of 6 months until I had to take leave from my job, go on disability payments and move back in with my parents. I eventually got my hands on some Famvir antivirals and took a dose of 750mg daily. After one month I could see a definite improvement. After three months I had my life back, no vertigo, no dizziness, reduced tinnitus and slightly improved hearing. For me, antivirals gave me my life back and I feel incredibly lucky. I hope they work for you too.
     
  6. three4rd

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    Amen to that. I hear you....
     
  7. Pupper

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    Thank you. I love reading things like this about AVs. Gives me hope. Can't tell you how much reading a simple post like this helps me emotionally.
     
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    @ Pupper, you are so very welcome. I know how your are feeling right now. I was in your shoes a few years ago, diagnosed at just 26 and felt so desperate. It was through reading similar posts of success stories on this very forum that lead me to antivirals and at last gave me some hope. They do not work for everyone of course but my advice is to keep a daily diary from day one of starting them. It would have been difficult to see a definite improvement in on my case in the first month if i had not logged everything as it can be a slow process so don't give up. Also to note that my dose was quite low in comparison to what others here have started on so maybe a higher dose might show improvement quicker for you. I wish you all the best and hoping for you that your nightmare ends soon!
     
  9. PapaJoe

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    Have you tried anti-fungal meds (either along with or without the anti-virals)? MM may be multifactorial and you may have more than one kind of infection going on.
     
  10. Irishstu

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    Hi. Are you still seeing the improvements you spoke about here two years ago? Are you still on the any virals and i was wondering what ENT you saw as i am also located in Ireland. Thanks.

     
  11. JonBubo

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    Here is what I would suggest:
    You can get tested for which viral infection(s) with quantitative panels but its pricey and a bit of a goose chase. Which ones? Did you have mono ever? Thats ebv (epstein Barr virus) Sun blister or wart? Herpes. Chicken pox? Get tested quantitatively (panel amount) not qualitatively yes or no. Or dont at all. and just start treating with a broad based approach which is a test in itself. I had a script for acyclovir but pharma is very specific. One pill one virus. If a bad guess you get nothing. Broad based antivirals (zinc with Quercetin, C, olive leaf, monolaurin oregano oil etc)
    If your virus(es) are not herpes then geuss what? No effect. Thats why a broad based program that handles not only multiple viruses but multiple pathogens is always best.
    My latest strategy (which works very well for COVID BTW) comes from many sources including JOH.
    Start with 500 mg quercetin and 25-50 mg of zinc and 1 gram of vitamin C all take at same time each day.
    Wait a week or two for results as you may get die off from that so continue without adding til it wanes. The die off doesnt just come from viruses but from candida, mold, bacteria etc. If you get it thats a GOOD thing. If you get that thank your lucky stars. dont get scared and back off..it means you hit pay dirt. Hold the line.
    Once it wanes...Then add one of the following slowly...olive leaf or monolaurin or oregano oil. Take at most 1 pill or half a scoop and chill. If you get too much die off (flu like symptoms and hiked up MD symptoms) just cut back or goto a tincture with drops for a drop by drop dosage. Increase as symptoms wane and hold for months then cut back to a small maint dose.
    Next up get tested for heavy metals. Urine only for best data. .....hair for a general.idea. Most of you would.be shocked to see your results. Cut the sources and start chelating. Chlorella, milk thistle, etc.
    Toxins are next. After months of the above start cleaning out your gut. Use activated charcoal and probiotics alternating. Before bed charcoal....when you get up probiotics every 3rd day.
    Diet: get more plant based. Huge issue. Even cutting meat by 25% will help. Allergies. Get tested. I doubt you will do any of this but for those reading who are wondering where to start if you stick with it you have a very good chance of feeling better.
     
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  12. Nathan

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    Does it work better than zinc, vitamin D & C alone?
     
  13. JonBubo

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    Yes, adding the Quercetin as an ionophore (at same time) opens up the cells to take the zinc. Much higher strength if taken togethor. In the covid world they talk about hydroxychloroquine which is also an ionophore but pharma with little other value and some side effects. It's very effective WITH ZINC but not without it. Turmeric is another ionophore. Bottom line - this person was taking far too little dosage of Lysine and antivirals. Few address metals or toxins or allergies or other infections like mold, candida, h. pylori. Or Lyme. Once you are MD or MS or lupus you have many things simultaneoulsy occurring. Many factors not just one conspire to create symptoms. Research shows that the body has a line it crosses when it gets too toxic...where it figures its too tough to protect the body so it just focuses on the heart and brain allowing viruses, pathogens and gut tissue mutation and deformation to grow. It's a steady process in MANY Autoimmune conditions, of getting the immune system back to that line where it re-engages. After an infection its tough to fight any of these without help. That leads to more oxidative stress. Dont stop with antivirals, just make it a first step with a long timeline.
     
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    Thirty one new patients with a diagnosis of MD were treated with antiviral drugs during 2012. Acyclovir or valacyclovir was used depending on insurance coverage and cost.

    Results: Hearing was improved in twelve and not improved in nineteen patients. Complete control of vertigo was achieved in those patients with improved hearing.

    So according to this Richard R Gacek publication, success rate is only about 39%

    Recovery of Hearing in Meniere's Disease after Antiviral Treatment - PubMed
     
  15. Irishstu

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    From reading the report it appears that the individuals with the worst hearing in the group were the ones it didnt help much? Im not a docotr and not qualified to interpret these reports, but maybe if anti virals are not taken early enough it doesnt help?
     
  16. June-

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    my dr told me she had had people with longstanding loss regain hearing with antivirals but that was the exception not the rule. Also more likely to regain loss in lower registers than higher ones.
     
  17. Irishstu

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    Hi June. I know before you mentioned you also had alergy shots. Were those shots steroid shots do you know? or something different?
    Thanks.
     
  18. June-

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    Thought i answered this but it went away. No they were allergy shots to build up immunity to things that the patient tests positive for. Typical allergy shots like any allergist would give. Not new, just given in this case to take a load off thr immune system which also is involved in menieres.
     

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