More Info On A Supplement Said To Kill Viruses

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  1. Santa

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    Here is my humble opinion on Monolaurin, valacyclovir and OPC.

    Valacyclovir and OPC have kept me vertigo free for 60 days. My hearing is better and the aural fullness hasn't been much of an issue. Aural fullness wasn't an issue for the first 53 days of taking this combo. I went through many dry periods and low pressure systems without any aural fullness. However we have had rain every day now for 10 days. The oak and hickory trees are spewing pollen and almost everyone I know is having sinus issues. I have had a few mornings with a lot of mucus and a little bit of aural fullness. Not bad like it was before I started this combo.

    I do not know if valacyclovir and OPC can beat the virus or just suppress it. Now I see where many people and Drs believe, think or say monolaurin can beat the virus. I am taking a 1,100
    Mg of monolaurin I just purchased at vitamin shoppe, it's made by Health From the Sun. It's 11.99 for 90 capsules.
    I will continue the valacyclovir and OPC, as well.
    I flushed out sinuses this morning went through another downpour and I am happy to say I can still hear pretty good out of both ears. I think thick gooey mucus in the sinuses means some is bound to travel through eustachien tubes to inner ear and cause aural fullness. If you blow your nose trying to blow the mucus out it will surely go eustachien on you. Netty pots and bulb syrenges are the best way to remove the mucus from sinuses.
     
  2. Vicki

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    the herpes treatment site says the dr that developed the patetent suggests:

    Dosage should be individualized, and Dr. Jon J. Kabara, the physician/researcher who developed monolaurin, says that the usual recommended initial dose is 1.5 grams once or twice a day for one or two weeks. The dose can be increased to 3.0 grams once or twice daily thereafter. A maintenance dose can be 3.0 grams two or three times a day. The idea is to start with a low dose and then increase it gradually until you notice a positive response.

    The site says she will answer questions about doses, might be worth asking her to be sure you are not taking too much or too little.
     
  3. John of Ohio

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    By that reasoning, one should read and follow the owner's manual for a Ford, if you bought a new Toyota. What might the engineers of the car you just bought really know about the car?

    --John of Ohio
     
  4. Vicki

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    rr the pdf by those 3 doctors I posted gives the same doses. From what I understand monolaurin is not an invention, its made from lauric acid which is found in coconut oil and lauric acid turns into monolaurin in the body. Monolaurin is a derivative of lauric acid.
     
  5. enjoy

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    Can this be taken together with while still on Valtrex?
     
  6. Vicki

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    I have no idea but its best to ask your doctor or a pharmacist. Actually a pharmacist would be the better choice since they know drugs and their interactions, I would think.
     
  7. enjoy

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    JOH, any comments on this? how to break the consuming with current Valtrex and your JOH regimen.

    FYI, i have been doing good with vala. My hearing is good. will update you all later in another new thread, my 5 months journey.
     
  8. John of Ohio

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    My comment is this. Those who feel it appropriate to consult with a physician or pharmacist before consuming monolaurin should, of course, do that.

    I just ordered a bottle of the stuff, 90 doses, from VitaCost, and to start I will be popping a capsule with breakfast each day for a week or two. Then, I'll hike the dose to 2 capsules. No, I'm not doing this for symptoms related to Meniere's. I no longer have any of those, thanks to my regimen (http://www.zoominternet.net/~kcshop/JOH.pdf).

    But I may have an infection of Candida (a fungus) or other infective disruption outside of my inner ear. I did a scrutiny of the info on monolaurin and found it to be very safe, with no notable side effects. Consequently, I'll be popping it without my doctor's or pharmacist's knowledge or consent, just to see what happens.

    Would I consult with them if I were to begin using coconut oil in my diet (or any other common over the counter food)? I wouldn't. Monolaurin chemically is very similar to, is derived from, and has similar effects as coconut oil, except it's a bit more concentrated.

    Some, of course, will regard this as wildly hazardous, frought with all sorts of unknown adverse outcomes. Those with such concerns should give frequent calls to their physicians and phramacists, of course.

    I'm a biologist. I rely upon my understanding of biochemistry, physiology, etc., as considered with the copious amounts of information available to those with the time and skills to extract cogent info from the Internet. (My experience with this in regards to the components of my regimen --- when I first tried to pass them past my ENT --- was that he claimed (accurately) that he had no knowledge of most of them.)

    For some, an expressed lack of knowledge from a physician or pharmacist would be a perceived revelation of absolute toxicity. Simply, my ENT agreed that I knew more about the regimen components (and their safety and efficacy) than he did.

    But, again, each will have to take the actions he or she thinks appropriate; whatever they might (or might not) be.

    --John of Ohio
     
  9. Bulldogs

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    John,

    In terms of physiology and biochemistry how does your regimine effect menieres sufferers at the cellular level in terms of ones proteins, T-cells, b-cells, and subset of th13 cells and virology.

    I would like to run this past my wife who is currently at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Chop) working with Dr. Grupp as they perfect a way of eradicating Leukemia via biotechnology and pharmacology by bathing re-engineered white blood cells in deactivated AIDS virus to cure leukemia.

    Feel free to check out their work on the Internet.

    Just google Using Aids to cure Leukemia at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr Grupp and his team.

    I am very interested in you work with mm and your regime and would like to know more at the biochemistry and pharmacology level as it pertains to cell function and menieres.

    Do you mind if my wife gives you a call?
     
  10. John of Ohio

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    I don't want my phone or personal identity in the public domain, for obvious reasons. Have her give me an email. The address in my regimen write-up: http://www.zoominternet.net/~kcshop/JOH.pdf

    I saw a report of that innovative use of attenuated AIDS virions. In honesty, it's beyond my professional level of understanding.

    In summary, several of the elements of my regimen simply support the immune system's suppression of herpes viruses. The vitamins C and E, for example. The enhanced circulation promoted by the ginkgo, vinpocetine, and lemon bioflavonoid (erioctrin) facilitate T-cell and other leukocyte physiology within inner ear and associated nerve tissues. The MSM turns down allergic reactions, allowing more normalized inner ear function.

    Of course, the essential element of the regimen is the adequate (3000mg/day) dosing of lysine, which simply complicates and suppressed herpes virus replication. With that, more normalized healing can occur, especially if sufficient blood can circulate in the affected tissues (my ischemic hypothesis).

    --John of Ohio
     
  11. Sharon406

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    Thank you nicmger I feel the same as you. I am pretty new to this site and suffer daily with vertigo and dizziness. I have tried several treatments that have been suggested and while none of them have helped much I really appreciate the sharing of ideas I find here. Before this site I was following the usual loso and diuretic treatment that most Dr's recommend and feeling hopeless. Then I found this site and so many options to try that I feel just maybe somewhere out there is an answer for me. I can try ant-virals, or supplements, or NUCCA, or acupuncture and if none of these help I can try surgery. After hearing from the people on this site who are living good lives after surgery I'm not so afraid of it anymore.

    So please let's not discourage the sharing of ideas regardless of how "out there" they may sound to some. Maybe, just maybe, that one "out there" treatment will be the one that helps!
     
  12. nicmger

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    To return to the subject of the post - to put back on the track for which it was intended:

    Vicki, this is helpful information that I have started to research myself. Anti Virals (recommended by you and others on this board - through experience and published studies) have done wonders for me. With that, I fall into the "fear" category - everything is good right now so honestly am afraid to rock the boat. ;D But if anything changes, this - along with Santa's OPC - are both on my list to try.

    I truly do fear trying anything new at this point, especially since a lot of times it will get worse before it gets better...so if it is good, I certainly don't want to go back!

    But this is definitely good to have to check into - especially as a lot of people still have problems getting a doctor to try anti virals. At least if they research and agree with the scient and info as a trial, it gives them "something" to try.

    Thanks again for all you do.
     
  13. Vicki

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    thanks nicmger I feel the same as you the antivirals have been a miracle for me and I don't want to rock the boat. When I stumbled upon this I felt I had to share it especially there are those that want to try an AV but cant get their hands on a script.

    I know most of you understand my intent that when I post a new finding or study I expect and hope members research thoroughly for themselves and then make a decision whether or not it is something they would want to try.
    My posts about Monolaurin was posted as information not as a suggestion. That is up to the individual not me.

    and I appreciate
     
  14. vitolony

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    This is a very interesting thread. I've been wrestling with this disease for a while now. I've been on the anti-virals for a little over a month, and they haven't been completely effective yet. The vertigo attacks I have had haven't been as severe. Does that mean the anti-viral is working?

    Lets assume for a moment that Philosopher and BullDog are right, and that taking this stuff is unwise (I don't see how given that lauric acid is found in breast milk and the human body turns it into Monolaurin, but, whatever), how much coconut oil would it take to achieve similar therapeutic levels of Monolaurin? One source I read suggests that coconut oil is 50% lauric acid. So 2 grams of coconut oil equals 1 gram of lauric acid. How much Monolaurin is created in the body based on that amount of lauric acid?
     
  15. BumbleBea

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    It could be the antiviral smart working. It does take time. For me it was 3-4 months.
     
  16. Vicki

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    good question vitolony, I have no idea but this may give some insight into your question
    COCONUT OIL IN HEALTH AND DISEASE: ITS AND MONOLAURIN’S
    POTENTIAL AS CURE FOR HIV/AIDS

    http://www.coconutoil.com/Dayrit.pdf
    The 3 treatment groups to which the 15 patients were randomly assigned were (Table II):
    a) High Dose Monolaurin (HML): 7.2 grams (9 capsules) ML 3 times daily or about 22
    grams daily
    b) Low Dose Monolaurin (LML): 2.4 grams (3 capsules) ML 3 times daily or 7.2 grams
    daily.
    c) Coconut oil (CNO): 15 ml 3 times daily or 45 ml daily. The ML content of this dose is
    about the same as HML.

    Conclusion from the Study
    This initial trial confirmed the anecdotal reports that coconut oil does have an anti-viral effect
    and can beneficially reduce the viral load of HIV patients. The positive anti-viral action was seen not
    only with the monoglyceride of lauric acid but with coconut oil itself. This indicates that coconut oil is
    metabolized to monoglyceride forms of C-8, C-10, C- 12 to which it must owe its anti-pathogenic
    activity.

    what antiviral are you taking? If it is acyclovir and it is helping some you may want to try valcylcovir which is now the preferred antiviral by Dr Gacek.
    I also agree with Bea that it may take a bit longer to get symptoms under control. I recall the longer I was on acyclovir the better it worked.
     
  17. vitolony

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    That is hopeful. The attacks are already more manageable, though slightly more frequent. I haven't had one of the all night vomiting sessions for a while now.

    I would be taking the valacyclovir, if my insurance would cover it for the higher doses as that's what my doctor prescribed initially. It's like 350 bucks for 3 weeks worth. My insurance will only cover 1 pill a day per month of valacyclovir. They will pay for acyclovir though, so that's what I'm taking, that and JOH.
     
  18. Vicki

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    I tried valcylcovir and felt lousy on it so went back to acyclovir. But I am extremely medication sensitive. Acyclovir works great for me, but as I mentioned the longer I took it the better it worked.
    I have been on a maintenance dose of 800 mg for over a year now.
     
  19. vitolony

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    So if one used this as a guide, @3.2 table spoons a day would be what the HIV patients were taking. And, it should alleviate the problem whether it is fungal or viral in origin, right? Seems like a viable option to me.
     
  20. Vicki

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    I found this in the pdf so you are close in your estimate
    According to Mary Enig(11), the AIDS organization, Keep Hope Alive, has documented
    several HIV-AIDS patients whose viral load fell to as low as undetectable levels, when they took
    coconut oil or ate coconut (half a coconut a day) or when they added coconut to their anti-HIV
    medication (anti protease and/or antiretrovirals) that had previously not been effective. The amount of
    coconut oil consumed (50 ml or 3 1/2 tablespoonfuls) or half of a coconut, would contain 20-25 grams
    of lauric acid, which indicates that the oil is metabolized in the body to release lauric acid and/or
    monolaurin.
     

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