Antivirals, JOH Regimen and Lysine/Arginine Ratios

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  1. Mark55

    Mark55 Active Member

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    This question goes out to all that are treating their Menieres symptoms with the JOH Regimen, Antiviral treatments, etc ..
    Are you maintaining higher Lysine than Arginine in the foods you are eating while treating this as a viral disease? Have you noticed any specific triggers with foods other than the usual salt, sugar, caffeine, etc.
    For example, I was eating sunflower butter on occasion and after feeling off, noticed it was very high in Arginine.
    Big thanks!
     
  2. John of Ohio

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    For those unaware, here's the arginine-lysine mechanism involved in Meniere's.

    First, it appears that about 85% of Meniere's cases are caused by the inner-ear inflammation resulting from a herpes virus replicating (reproducing) in the inner ear. If the herpes virus can be prevented from replicating, it is no longer infective. No viral inflammation; no Meniere's symptoms.

    But to replicate herpes viruses require the amino acid arginine. When arginine is sufficiently available, herpes viruses can strongly replicate. That's where lysine becomes efficacious. When lysine is sufficiently available in body tissues (in the blood stream), it gets substituted for arginine in the enzymes required for virus production. When lysine substitutes for arginine in herpes virus replication enzymes, the enzymes can no longer function; herpes virus replication is terminated.

    And, yes, certain foods release ample amounts of arginine into the blood stream, facilitating herpes virus replication. Avoiding those foods helps to suppress herpes virus replication.

    But for those successfully using my Meniere's treatment regimen, where lysine is the prime, most effective herpes-fighting component, the regimen supplies enough lysine to sufficiently counter whatever arginine incidentally appears, after eating certain arginine-containing foods.

    This is one reason that the lysine must be consumed at least 20 minutes before, or two hours after a meal. When consumed without mixing with any foods, during digestion or absorption, the lysine concentrations in the blood will counter any smaller concentrations of arginine required for herpes viruses to replicate.

    --John of Ohio
     
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  3. Mark55

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    Thank you, John. That is precisely the info I was looking for! Sometimes it can be difficult to maintain high Lysine/low Arginine foods 24/7.
     
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  5. John of Ohio

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    Thank you. Understand, I'm a retired advanced placement biology teacher. It's in my experience and personality to share and teach useful biological information. After I devised and tested my Meniere's treatment regimen on myself, knowing that it was both safe and effective, I felt I had an ethical obligation to share it with others so they might get the benefits I did. Thankfully, this has all worked out so well for so many. The real heroes here are the people who constructed and run this message board. Without them, without this website, most of us with Meniere's would be mostly in the dark on so many Meniere's topics.

    --John of Ohio
     
  6. Grandmadeb59

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    JOH what is your regimen you use how much of each and when do you take all of it through out the day??
     
  7. John of Ohio

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    Go to this page (URL below) and click on the PDF. The PDF describes the regimen, in its most recent form.

    Personally, after about 10 years of complete freedom from Meniere's symptoms, while taking the regimen, I went off of it entirely and continue to be symptom free. But I take 7000IU of vitamin D-3, 200mg of magnesium (in magnesium glycinate), and a capsule of vitamin K-2; all of which strongly supports my immune system. I also take a multivitamin, with ample B vitamins.

    JOH (John of Ohio) Regimen for Meniere's Disease details

    --John of Ohio
     
  8. Russ Darbyshire

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    JOH: I was just diagnosed with Menier's. It took 8 months, 5 ENT's and 2 other diagnoses (Viral Labyrinthitis and Vestibular Neuropathy) before a PA at an ENT practice in Austin, Texas described it accurately as Menier's. Having been to medical school, I was researching all the other conditions and when I got the accurate diagnosis, I thought "Here we go again. I have to start over." Then I stumbled across Menier's.org and your immediate post on the 2013 study of reoccurring vertigo. You did VERY GOOD work here, John. You write well, you were detailed and you documented everything you said. I had read earlier papers that described a treatment using Valacyclovir and not having that, but having Acyclovir, I just did a 5 day regimen at 400mg t.i.d. per the paper outline. Of course, it did not work. One ENT rolled his eyes when I told him I tried this. As I explained to him, it made perfect sense that any vestibular infection has its roots in the Herpes virus and thus should be treated with an anti-viral. So when I ran across your blog and the detailed regimen with Acyclovir, I was ecstatic. I have also downloaded your supplement plan. I just started Acyclovir 2 days ago, so it is early in the process. I guarantee if this works, 5 ENT's are going to get a copy of this 2013 study asking them why they are not up on their craft. I will post more information as I progress through the supplements and Acyclovir. I did have 3 intratympanic injections of Dexamethosone, knowing it probably would not help (and it did not). I just wonder why no one has suggested that an intratympanic injection of Acyclovir or Valacyclovir would be beneficial? I have tried to find out how ototoxic either one would be and can't find any information. This must be new territory. By the way, I could not get any doctor to prescribe Acyclovir, so living close to the border, I got some from Mexico. I have a physical on November 1 and I will give this 2013 paper to him and hope he will prescribe the drug for me and offer to help me monitor it with blood work every 6 months or so.
     

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